*Update* turbotype4

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Update

Damn!! TIGwelding is hard, I must say I admire people that can do pretty welds :?

Anyway! I went to the garage tonight :)

This is how my workspace looks like now, the light is a big improvement :)
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And this is my new TIG welder.. nothing fancy
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I did some more practice welding pipes that didn't have perfect ends so I had to use a filling rod.. this made it harder to say the least :?

After that I tried to figure out how to weld pipe to a thick flange.. this wasn't easy at all...

This is the first atempt at a real flange after som practice on scrap metal. I really had to turn the power up!
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Ofcourse I rushed and started on the really deal, the collector to the turbo.. maybe I do some more practice and do this all over again, because I'm not very happy about the outcome!! :?

This is a closeup, I had to use alot of filler because the gaps became kinda big... this is because the hole in the turbo is a very strange shape.. you can see it earlier in this thread (and get a hint in the picture)
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After that I made one 2 in 1 part..

Leaves a nice clean cut ;)
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The collector tacked up with the MIG...
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To give you guys a hint :D The pipes will go under the driveshafts!
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Update

I wasn't satisfied with what I did yesterday so I did this today :roll:
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Then I sat down to practice..

Cut, cut, cut and then weld it together again, good practice :)
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One 4mm and one 1mm thick welded together.. different thickness is hard..
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Some "flange welding" practice :)
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The last weld for the day.. If i had this on my header I would be pleased 8)
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Post by Passatman »

Jonas how did you clean the inside of your chassis to get it ready for paint.
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Passatman wrote:Jonas how did you clean the inside of your chassis to get it ready for paint.
I didn't ;)
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jonas_linder wrote: I didn't ;)
Paint bomb :wink:

Hi Jonas, that is close to amazing progress for a weekends work. You teach yourself well 8)

It's time you used some stainless, don't you think? Or is Swedish mild steel really that superior? I'm fealing a little jealous :o That is fine welding, I'm sure. It looks like a DC welder, Is that what Jonas N used on his test head? :shock: 'Want 1 of dem!

My #3 primary pipe runs under a drive shaft.. good use of space :wink:

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MattKab wrote:
jonas_linder wrote: I didn't ;)
Paint bomb :wink:

Hi Jonas, that is close to amazing progress for a weekends work. You teach yourself well 8)

It's time you used some stainless, don't you think? Or is Swedish mild steel really that superior? I'm fealing a little jealous :o That is fine welding, I'm sure. It looks like a DC welder, Is that what Jonas N used on his test head? :shock: 'Want 1 of dem!

My #3 primary pipe runs under a drive shaft.. good use of space :wink:

Matt
Hehe, I really don't feel the need to paint inside, but a paint bomb would work :lol:

Thanks, I always practice what Jonas N says.. "how hard could it be?" :D

I don't know if I want to use stainless.. not for now anyway.. mild steel is very easy to work with (and not that expensive ;) )

Yes it's DC-welder.. not for aluminum :(

Jonas used a MMA-welder.. something like this
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so this is not really an update.. just showing I'm still here ;)

I have been playing a little in pro/Engineering on my free time and tonight I made this :)

This is the basic idéa of how the layout will be for my new header.

This is not the correct dimensions and proportions though :?

Still learing :)

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That looks much like the intake manifold I'm thinking about...

Looks like a set of 914 HX tubes would get you 90% there...

Question:

When you pack tubing with sand to bend it, use dry sand? (makes sense?)

Wet sand packs better though...
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Wow I like that design, very smooth and graceful. will that take up alot of room behind the rear seat?
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Piledriver wrote:That looks much like the intake manifold I'm thinking about...

Looks like a set of 914 HX tubes would get you 90% there...

Question:

When you pack tubing with sand to bend it, use dry sand? (makes sense?)

Wet sand packs better though...
Yes.. but my first drawing is waaaaaayyy out ;)

I buy prebend tubing.. Jbends with big radius,.. that's the plan anyway ;)
vwdmc16 wrote:Wow I like that design, very smooth and graceful. will that take up alot of room behind the rear seat?
Thanks, that's the whole idéa ;)

The turbo sit's ontop of the gearbox.. it will take alot of place, I'm sure ;)

Update
Today I called Jonas N and was very enjoying... Because I asked alooooootttt of measurements of the engine and gearbox.. this is the result.. a very "raw" engine and the idéa in a more true proportion ;)
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Post by Wally »

The gearboxes that bolt to these motors have the annoying habit of using drive shafts sticking out of them :lol:
Did you thought about the space where these axles are with the positioning of the primaries? :roll:
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Wally wrote:The gearboxes that bolt to these motors have the annoying habit of using drive shafts sticking out of them :lol:
Did you thought about the space where these axles are with the positioning of the primaries? :roll:
yes.. there was a gearbox hocked up during modelling ;)

It is supposed to "snake" around the axles :)

I don't know if the measurements was all correct though!

Anyway.. this is just the idéa.. not a exact drawing ;)
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Today I went to JonasNs garage and did some work on a secret project :D you will soon know what it is ;)

Anyway.. I did some trading and got my self some of the last pices of the big with puzzle :lol:

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I also loaned out my cam, lifters and pushrods to Jonas that need them more atm!

Stay tuned for more updates :)
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Post by 61terror »

New to this forum and just came across this. Have not read all 40 pages. However I'm glad to see another DIY type IV turbo guy.

I have a big build going on as well. I am doing a 1.7L with twin 13B's and twin water/air intercoolers.
Here is some of my build:
Intercooler cores
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turbos and one intercooler being mocked with end tanks.
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1 intercooler being pressure tested before I weld on the water side tanks.
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Keep it up.
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Where are you?

I need some water jackets welded on an Eclipse IC...
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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