Type 4 to Upright Conversion

general_lee_jr · Post by **general_lee_jr** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 6:04 pm

I finally decided to take the plunge into the type 4 realm. Whoo hoo! I got myself a 1700 bus motor and tore it all apart. I had the case mic'd and all that good stuff and the case is good. I am going to convert it to a 2L. I have a set of 2L heads that I are going to get rebuilt soon. I am still looking for a 2L crank, rods and pistons. I am not sure about where to get the bearings from for the type 4. I am also in need of a conversion kit for the fan and all that good stuff. Can somebody please point me in the right direction please? I looked at Jakes site I have come to the conclusion that I can not afford the DTM kit. Will one of those 911 style kits work and where I can I find one? I would even take a used one if I could find one. One last question, Are the 44IDA's the way to go. I want to stay away from FI because I like the look of the carbs. Thanks, Brad

If anybody is interested in a '72 fastback drop me an email. I will trade for parts for the conversion. Check out the link below for details.

http://thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=114773

Boneloader · Post by **Boneloader** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:24 pm

When you consider the cost of the porsche fan/alt and the cost of all the machining/welding and mods to the case, the DTM is a great price. Here are some pictures of my setup: http://rap.midco.net/boneloader/shroud/

It's from Sharpbuilt http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au/new_page_2.htm, and is a very nice kit. Here is a copy of the instructions, to give you an idea of what's involved:

If you are really on a budget, try the Joe Cali conversion: http://www.nextgen-usa.com/ See it done at Nate's site: http://aircooledtech.com/type4_upright_conversion/

Good luck!

~Troy
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tuna · Post by **tuna** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:42 pm

general_lee_jr wrote:I looked at Jakes site I have come to the conclusion that I can not afford the DTM kit. Will one of those 911 style kits work and where I can I find one? I would even take a used one if I could find one.

Have you priced all of the pieces (and machine work) for the 911 conversion? The alt. and regulator alone are a hefty price. I think you'll find that the price for the DTM and Type 1 parts is more economical and better performing.

Tuna

barls80 · Post by **barls80** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:56 pm

heres mine with the t1 upright conversion from sharpbuilt. its cheaper than the porsche style by about a grand and requires no machining to the case

Boneloader · Post by **Boneloader** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:22 pm

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MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Wed Dec 22, 2004 10:53 pm

Look for a much more affordable but less effective shroud soon! Like really soon from my shop...

Do some searches on my forum for the details..

Its a Cali conversion on steroids and is atleast twice as easy and faster to complete!

All the tough work is already templated for you and it comes with a alternator stand, shroud and cylinder tins, and of course the pulley....

1/2 price of the DTM....... BUT not refined as much- can't have it all! Its fine for stockish engines, we decided to finish it to offer with our 1911 kits as part of the "New endeavor"....

Just wait till you guys see what that is- You are gonna freak!

so far its cost me almost 50 K in 56 days to complete, and I'm only 1/2 way finished with the project.

general_lee_jr · Post by **general_lee_jr** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:04 am

I hate to say this but i think you guys are right. The more I read the DTM is the way to go. I want a clean install and it looks like the DTM is the way to go. I did not realize that the 911 conversion required fabrication skills which I lack. I could not fabricate my way out of a paper bag.

I guess I will have to sell a kidney. LOL! Can somebody please school me on the bearings. Are they the same as the type 1?

coolj30 · Post by **coolj30** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 10:11 am

Check out these sites.

http://www.sharpbuilt.com.au/page1.htm

http://www.csp-shop.de/cgi-bin/shop2/sh ... 3721419230

http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/catsearch.php

http://www.johnmaherracing.co.uk/index.html

DaveB · Post by **DaveB** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:56 am

There you go again Jake

teasing us about this new endeavor. When are we going see what it is?

NextGen · Post by **NextGen** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:43 pm

A Cali conversion on steroids ??? Will it be like the little blue pill to my conversion, Ha!!

As for Mike Sharps T-1 fanhousing I must admit that was a stroke of genius, chopping off the sides of a late model fanshroud to fit the carbs in the engine bay.

As for the Porsche 911 shrouds, in tests it has shown they look great but some create too much back pressure in the shroud and do not put the air were needed. Some also require the cost of machining to be more then a DTM KIT. Sharpbuilt's is the best of that lot, seeing it requires less machining and also the other 911 kits use an external cooler. Mike's uses the stock cooler in the stock position. But the 911 fan and alt. again cost more then a DTM.

BTW Barls80 nice job. Talk about a sleeper, that in a bug will fake out most T-1 guys at first glance. Forget it on the road next to a T-1, the guy will scratch his head all the way home.
Joe

Boneloader · Post by **Boneloader** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:00 pm

NextGen wrote: <snip>Sharpbuilt's is the best of that lot, seeing it requires less machining and also the other 911 kits use an external cooler. Mike's uses the stock cooler in the stock position.

The stock cooler location is an option you can get with the Sharpbuilt shroud, and one of the main reasons I went with it:

Of course, I did not anticipate the cost of machining and welding required to make it work, and that's why I recommend getting all the information before buying. Overall, I am very happy with the quality and design of the Sharpbuilt shroud, but don't look at it as a cheaper alternative to the DTM.

Joe, I bought your manual years ago, and even collected all the parts I need for the conversion. It's a must read for anyone converting the T4. I'm glad to see more options out there... (Thanks, Jake!)

~troy

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:09 pm

The DTM needs TWO holes drilled and thats it... The factory even gave you pilot holes to show you where to put them!

The DTM could have been installed in less than 2 hours, and you wouldn't need a mill, file, or grinder to do it.. Just a drill with a 5/16 bit

Anyway, the "New endeavor" only known by a few.... Nextgen knows what it is and I think he would agree that this is going to change everything!

vrsechslvr · Post by **vrsechslvr** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:10 pm

Jake, when will your site be completed?

general_lee_jr · Post by **general_lee_jr** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:02 pm

I actually found a kit !. I went ahead and got it. It is identical to the one on tunas homepage. It uses the type 1 alternator, fan and all that stuff. It also has a place for the stock oil cooler and came with all the adapters. After looking at the sharpbuilt website the alternator stand is identical. I bought my case and took it to a machine shop and they did the machine work for me. I should be good to go. Everything auctually fit perfect. Now I am going to have to fabricate the rest of the tin. I found a guy that has done the joe cali conversion and he is going to show me the ropes. I could not believe that you could use stock type 1 and 4 tin to do the rest. The next thing I have to get is the exhaust. I talked to fat performance today and they said the whole system goes for $390.00. The adventure continues.

Conrad · Post by **Conrad** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:56 am

Sounds good Jake. Just don't change your mind.
Conrad

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