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Hello-
I have checked all the posts at this forum and still could not find all the information about the 2.1 wasser boxer conversion and the subaru conversion.
Maybe I was missing something Image

So,
What is needed for a 2.1 wasserboxer to fit into a bug?
1. a 2.1 wasser boxer engine, complete
2. a 215 type4 flywheel(+pp and clutch)
3. ?
What else?
It uses the stock wasser box cooling sys too?(radiator and stuff)
pls help me out here!

About the subaru conversion:
1. a subaru engine
2. the KEP kit
what else?

PS: even the subaru conversion seems to be easyer than the type4 conversion from what I have read Image

ThanX!

Martin
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Oh, this is about a h2o and subaru in a VW beetle conversion...

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Ok-
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Ok-

Will anyone who did any of this conversions be so kind and share some of the experience please!

Martin
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a 215 type4 flywheel(+pp and clutch)-

Q:will a 411 200mm flywheel with t1 pp and clutch work as well?


Martin



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Martin,
People do reply to posts but if you look at how many posts there are people don't tend to post every minute, at least give it a chance for people to see it Image

Are you sure you are using the search function correctly? There have been posts on both these subjects before.

But, for a short cut I have detailas of my Subaru swap on my website, not in a bug but close enough for the majority of aspects. Which engine do you want to use?

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Thanks!
The reason I was in such a hurry was because I have found a 2.1 wasserbox for sale(100$) in perfect condition and the day after tomorrow I am leaving the country for 2 weeks and the engine will sell for sure..hope you understand Image

About the subaru, I do not know witch engine because they are hard to find here, I am just trying to find out witch costs and skills are involved before I can even think about witch engine in best.
How much did the conversion costed you?
Thanks,

Martin

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard Olafsson:
<B>Martin,
People do reply to posts but if you look at how many posts there are people don't tend to post every minute, at least give it a chance for people to see it Image

Are you sure you are using the search function correctly? There have been posts on both these subjects before.

But, for a short cut I have detailas of my Subaru swap on my website, not in a bug but close enough for the majority of aspects. Which engine do you want to use?

</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Costs wil vary country to country, but the approximate breakdown on top of engine would be:

$440 +tax for KEP kit
£80 exhaust parts
£150 cooling parts if rad is 2nd hand
heating?
aftermarket fans?
big one: transmission?
aftermarket air filter

There are too many variables to give an all in prce, especially for a different application an without knowing which engine
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Thanks Rich,
The hadrest part is the finding a stronger transmition as no other than the t1 or t4 transitions can be found here.
The cost wouldn't be so high I am thinking of something around 1500-2000Eur depends on engine price..
But it sure worths the investment.
I do not have that kind of money right now but I think that the wasser box is worth to try too, It should cost allot less than.
Thanks for the info Rich! and the site is great info too!
Do you know something about the Wasser boxer conversion?
Thanks!

Martin
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Sorry, I don't know anything about the wasserboxer swap.
Try: http://www.tangen.nu/1600tl.html
Some good info on there, as well as the other guys here that have done the swap (Steve C and Marco among others)

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Thanks Rich,
The info is great but witch of this are a must and witch are optional? is it necessarily to ues a aut starter with a 215 flywheel? why a 1303 trans:

Transmission Upgrade (to a T1 1303s Transmission)(The Gearshift Lever is T3!)

Starter from Automatic Transmission T1/T3(supported in both ends)

Adding Needle bearing to the Flywheel for support of Main TransmissionAxel

Modification of Rear Engine Mounts(the Crossbar)

Modification of Transmission Housing /New Clutch/Flywheel

Adding Cooling tubes to the front mounted Radiator
Adding Radiator/cooling fan assembly

Adding copperhose for FuelReturn (Due to the Injection system)

Modification of the gas tank due to the Injection system(Electric Fuel pump & Fuel return)

Modification of the electrical system (Due to the Injection system and Dynamo/Generator swap)

Adding Heater assembly

Modification of Injection

Throttle/Accelerator Assembly

Modification of Hoses for AirFlowSensor/Oil breating/AUX air Valve

Adding Vent Louvers in the frontplate assembly for the radiator.

Removing/modifications of the Plate seperating Engine compartent/Transmission compartement

Adding metal plate assembly & cut large hole in the rear of the engine compartement over the Exaust to let Hot air out.

Thanks!

Martin
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I can only guess at some of the points as I have not done it.

Trans swap is probably fo rratios, not engine

rear mount not needed for bug

starter from auto is better supported and slightly more powerful, probably not necessary

a radiator is necessary Image

fuel return is necessary, as is a high pressure fuel pump, I would also recommend baffling the fuel tank

you will have to figure out the FI electrics adn convert to alternator if not done already (not too hard)

No idea if the stock pedal has enough travel for the wasser throttle

It shouldn't be too hard a swap, definitely bolt in rather than the extra expense of an adapter plate.

Hope this helps!

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Hi

This is a previous post of mine.

Wasserboxer in a Beetle.

The Wasserboxer has received some bad press for headstud problems; coolant leaks and assorted other woes. These problems seem to occur when proper VW servicing techniques are not used.

The Wasserboxer motor in my VW Beetle has been looked after as far correct coolant is concerned; I also use distilled water mixed with genuine VW coolant. I fitted an Oettinger 85° thermostat instead of the standard 87°. These don't seem to be available anymore so I have modified a Mercedes one to fit. The top part of the thermostat is the same as the VW one, but the lower bypass part has a larger diameter flange. This can easily be made the correct diameter by first marking out the correct diameter circle with a pair of dividers and the grind the flange down to the marked circle. I also got rid of water-cooled oil-cooler as I have heard that they can fail. I'm running an air cooled oil cooler with a Setrab thermo block at the front of the radiator.

As far as the rest of the motor goes it is extremely reliable, I give my bug heaps. I have bent one Scat pushrod (I'm now running Berg ones) and had 2 water pumps fail in about 100,000 Ks since 1988 and have had a few coolant hoses fail. My bug is also in constant state of improvement, so some things are always changing.

The Wasserboxers use 2 styles of cooling systems, basically the 1.9 and 2.1 litre style. I prefer the 2.1 style.

Fitting the motor is much the same as fitting a type 4 motor, same style of flywheel. The thermostat housing which sits above # 3 exhaust port needs to have some body clearancing. The water hose that runs from the water pump to the thermostat housing needs to be modified at the water pump end. It basically would run straight through the left-hand rear bumper bracket. Any Beetle exhaust can be used, #1 & # 4 exhaust flanges need to be rotated 90°. In the engine bay I used basically the whole Wasserboxer cooling system and condensed it to fit. You will need a steel coolant ring main as the plastic one cant be shortened easily.

The coolant runs to and from the front of the car via 1.5-inch stainless steel tubes. These follow the chassis bolts along the bottom of the heater channels. I have just upgraded my radiator with a modified Ford Transit radiator. After some gentle prompting from a fellow list user MARTINSR, yesterday I went out and bought an after market thermo fan from Davies Craig http://www.daviescraig.com.au/. It's meant to be used for a 5 litre V8 and pumps 2120 CFM, so far its working really well, we are having 40 ° + days down here at the moment. I previously used a BMW radiator and Audi 100 thermo fan. Cool air is brought into the radiator through an A/C louvered front apron. I removed the deformation plate at the front of the chassis to allow more air in. I had to also remove the spare wheel well and I just left the rounded edge for a bit of extra strength, I supplemented the spare wheel wells strength with angle steel. My radiator is around 550 mm across and 450 mm deep on the cooling surface, it's actually a little wider where the tanks are on the side. The radiator actually sits on a U shaped holder right down on the chassis and comes very close to the under bonnet. I fabricated a sheetmetal alloy housing to guide the cooling air in and let the heated air exit over the front end. I basically used some angle aluminum for the edges and then filled this in with very thin aluminum sheet. In case you hadn't already realised my bug is a super. I have seen radiators fitted to standard bugs but I have no experience with this. My spare wheel sits on top my fuel tank on a bracket attached to the strut brace.

Original heater channels were retained and warm air is directed from a Toyota troop carrier heater core under the rear seat to the interior via early Audi 100 brake cooling fans. I have used the rear seat heater cable to operate heater shut off valve.

My Kombi motor was purchased new in 1988 and is 2.1 litre its DJ engine number type 10.5:1 compression, 112 BHP type. I original ran the motor with dual webbers Berg cam. In preparation for a turbo the motor has just been decompressed to 8.0:1 and the cam changed back to standard. 1.4 berg rockers are used.

Regards Steve Carter
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Post by TIMBERWOLF »

Excellent post steve.

I run a wasserboxer in a dune buggy, probably much easier conversion. It's an early 1.9. would go for a 2.1 if I did it again. it's on a bus gearbox - 2ltr baywindow, which made the attachment to the gearbox thing a nut and bolt job. radiator is from a golf but is marginal - am going bigger soon. I don't know if this stands for all wbx's but ihad to modify the connection between water pump and thermo - extend it as it was in way of exhaust. i wanted to fit a merged bug item, which also needed modding to clear oil filter (which isn't there on type I) and water pump pulley (clearance is 2mm after some gentle panel beating)I think it is just details on certain engine/exhausts combo's. Cam is engle 120, seems perfect for what i want -tractable power, still got stock carb set up which is a POS. going to kjet in very near future. Pulls like a train even now tho' :-). And CHEAP!
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Post by Bent »

Hi
The 2.1 wasser boxer is a very sweet engine
you can increase the torque with a proper counterwieghting job , the Subaru engines don't come even close to the quality of these.
Hi Steve,
I have 80deg thermo-stats for these.
by the way 411 brake calipers have the same diameter piston as s-bug , just larger pad and disc lager studs spacing. I often put kits in both types.
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