Lucky for Mike, the only off roading he does is on his driveway. This isn't a sand car, Turning brakes make 0 sense in a car that you want to go VERY straight. He has the right parts in his drag car. That staging brake will do exactly what he needs. Rear brake wear is very much a non issue in a car that has a few miles put on it per year.Ol'fogasaurus wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:26 am The shifter setup looks good but reaching around it can end up being now what you want. As the brakes get worn the handle's distance when pushing or pulling gets longer. Again, an opinion!
Depending on the use of the "turning brake" setup and use especially if you are going off-road, say in the sand or soft dirt, then I would recommend a two-handle setup.
There are two reasons for this. One is the "forward throw" on one handle. The other is with a two-handle setup it allows you to pull both handles (when needed) at the same time which puts a load on the diff causing the diff to "lock up both wheels" then you have a better traction situation with both wheels working (e.g.) like having a "Detroit locker" setup in the diff, so both wheels are working as long as both handles are fairly lightly pulled, not just one. When climbing hills or getting stuck this does come in handy.
Having the handles standing is (in my opinion) easier to work with than the lay down handle setup. Pushing and pulling is easier on one's back and shoulders than lifting is.
Lee
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What you want is a double shear mount like a vw type3 has. (squareback/fastback/notchback) the t3 rear beam setup has stamped steel//welded torsion tube to "shock mount" setup on each side, and the actual shock mount is bolted to a reasonably HD rail in the body.
It would probably be easy to stick on a t1, but it would require cutting/welding as a t1 pan lacks the central mounting point... also if you want one with factory frame honrs AND setup for IRS you will have to make one from a swingaxle version, as the IRS cars had rear motor mounts and no frame horns. (much easier to add the aftermarket CrMo buggy framehorns to a 68+ t3 rear torsion, likely much stronger too)
The T3 suspension assemblies front and rear are attached with rubber isolation, not bad for cars that appear to be designed to have had rear fender fins.
(first ones shipped in '61, so design started when fins were 'da bomb so to speak)
It would probably be easy to stick on a t1, but it would require cutting/welding as a t1 pan lacks the central mounting point... also if you want one with factory frame honrs AND setup for IRS you will have to make one from a swingaxle version, as the IRS cars had rear motor mounts and no frame horns. (much easier to add the aftermarket CrMo buggy framehorns to a 68+ t3 rear torsion, likely much stronger too)
The T3 suspension assemblies front and rear are attached with rubber isolation, not bad for cars that appear to be designed to have had rear fender fins.
(first ones shipped in '61, so design started when fins were 'da bomb so to speak)
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zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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you guys lost me , thanks Chip
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Ah, didn't see Chips answer when I replied for some reason, entry was immediate answer to OldFogs. sorry.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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No worry's Pile
I picked up a 7 box on samba gonna try the two step on launch,any idea what RPM chip I'll need?
before you ask I have no idea what my launch rpm's are,I watch the 'Tree' not the tach
cheers,Mike
I picked up a 7 box on samba gonna try the two step on launch,any idea what RPM chip I'll need?
before you ask I have no idea what my launch rpm's are,I watch the 'Tree' not the tach
cheers,Mike
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I'm going back many years ago... into maybe the 60's but if I remember correctly, there used to be a "line-lock" that connected somehow to the brake pedal. You aligned your rig up on the starting line, hit the brakes and pushed a button on the shift handle which locked them up until the clutch pedal was released... but, if I remember correctly, the line-lock setup was connected on the front brakes only allowing the clutch to be let out some to take some of the shock away from the axles, trans and drive line when the clutch was finally engaged.
Off road, especially on soft sand, the handle style of rear brake setup with either a single handle or double handle works allowing you to turn quicker and tighter. With the two-handle setup only you can pull both handles and lock both of the rear brakes up but with a single handle you can only lock one brake up... unless you hook one of the turning brake handles up to lock up both rear brake shoes. I just checked and the line-locks are still available.
The other thing is that you have more than enough to concentrate on during launch, than reaching around stuff so you can get your paw onto the shifter handle quickly so you can "row" down the strip.
Things may have changed a lot since I played with drag racing (and it was much playing as it got very expensive very quickly plus some other crap that I am not going to talk about) but the hook-up I am seeing and was being talked about goes back to that time.
Lee
Off road, especially on soft sand, the handle style of rear brake setup with either a single handle or double handle works allowing you to turn quicker and tighter. With the two-handle setup only you can pull both handles and lock both of the rear brakes up but with a single handle you can only lock one brake up... unless you hook one of the turning brake handles up to lock up both rear brake shoes. I just checked and the line-locks are still available.
The other thing is that you have more than enough to concentrate on during launch, than reaching around stuff so you can get your paw onto the shifter handle quickly so you can "row" down the strip.
Things may have changed a lot since I played with drag racing (and it was much playing as it got very expensive very quickly plus some other crap that I am not going to talk about) but the hook-up I am seeing and was being talked about goes back to that time.
Lee
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On my drag buggy. I installed a 2 step and Rancho build my spooled and gusseted trans. And as per Rancho, I launched at 8k. You have to install some kind of long travel switch on the clutch peddle. And I had a momentary button on the right side of the steering wheel. The steering wheel would turn the system on. So, I would sit there with my right thumb on the button and naturally I would let off the button to shift to second. That way it didn’t engage every time you depress the clutch. I don’t think 8k is for you, though.
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It's been a long time, but I seem to remember, now that you mentioned it, that I had heard that some people (at that time) were starting to move the button onto the steering wheel from the shifter. I was working 10 hours a day 7 days a week (my first job and I was paid $45 a week [the minimum pay was supposed to be $40 a week) so the local circle track and drag racing tracks we not available to me most of the time. I had switched to 4-speed auto trans in my Cadillac V8 powered Studebaker "low boy".John S. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:23 pm On my drag buggy. I installed a 2 step and Rancho build my spooled and gusseted trans. And as per Rancho, I launched at 8k. You have to install some kind of long travel switch on the clutch peddle. And I had a momentary button on the right side of the steering wheel. The steering wheel would turn the system on. So, I would sit there with my right thumb on the button and naturally I would let off the button to shift to second. That way it didn’t engage every time you depress the clutch. I don’t think 8k is for you, though.
Again, my playing drag racing wasn't with VWs but other vehicles that had shorter clutch pedal travel. Once you slid your foot off the clutch pedal then the rest of the trans shifting was done by the shifter alone (aka "deck-shifting et al). VWs were in the country not that long back then and not being played with that much.
An interesting conversation and brings back a lot of memories.
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Yea Lee, I have a Hurst line lock ,connected to the front brakes,had it on my shifter, But I don't use it much, I don't do burnouts at the tracks, I think i'll hook my momentary switch to the staging brake , that thing u thought was a 'steering brake' lol , you can see the line lock switch hanging there
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Don't do a momentary Mike on the handle, just plumb a brake pressure switch into the staging brake and connect that to your 2 step. It's one less thing to have to coordinate. The fewer buttons and switches to have to deal with the better in my opinion.madmike wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:05 am Yea Lee, I have a Hurst line lock ,connected to the front brakes,had it on my shifter, But I don't use it much, I don't do burnouts at the tracks, I think i'll hook my momentary switch to the staging brake , that thing u thought was a 'steering brake' lol , you can see the line lock switch hanging there
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Muffler mike said the same thing I was thinking that too,thanks for the reminder Chip!
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Jeff over on the samba , gifted me a 2 step and ask me to post a pic of the spark ,well I got the wife out in the garage and we got a photo of the Sparkler This is with the MSD 7 box ,after seeing that,,, I don't want to grab a Plug wire
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I know BITD I don't know how guys got by with a 009 & blue coil, ,I forgot to close the gap on some plugs and my bug refused to boost,it kept 'Blowing out the Spark' re-gaped to .18 and I got boost,,,,,that plug showing spark is gapped at 30ish
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Got some of the Tool steel lifters Coming That Andrig has on sale for $163 to my door, Going in my 2074cc that I have some cheapies installed
Got them, These are Just Gorgeous/Awesome old use stocker for comparison
Got them, These are Just Gorgeous/Awesome old use stocker for comparison
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