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1776 BUILD

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:10 am
by lil_azza
got myself a t1 1600tp thats been cut for 90.5 barrels (1776)
have a set of kadrons already, do i use these or a 30 pict 3? got both setups.
what cam shall i use? stock or? its going in a earlybay not looking for speed just usable reliable power, torque,
do i bother with full flow? use stock rockers? stock springs?
dont want to spend alot but if its apart i wanna do it right

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:06 pm
by craigvwdude
kads.
Engle W100 cam.
In a bus, full flow with a external filter and electric fan.
stock or high rev single springs.
Simple and reliable!

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:36 am
by lil_azza
Awesome thanks very much il order a cam later

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:09 am
by lil_azza
Do i go straight cut cam gear or?

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:14 am
by lil_azza
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This is the cut on the heads am i right on thinking 1776 b&ps? 90.5mm?

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:25 am
by Marc
Looks like it. Over the years there've been other registers nearly as big, but 98mm is the classic 92 size, which was used when thickwall 90.5s were introduced ~35 years ago.
hightlighted in pink:

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disclaimer: the above chart is still a work in progress - some dimensions remain to be confirmed, and there are more ring-widths than listed so far for some bores.

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:03 am
by lil_azza
Ok thankyou very much i thought it was a 1776 when i sold it, but just bought it back but seemed quite a large cut,

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:47 pm
by Max Welton
lil_azza wrote:Do i go straight cut cam gear or?
Not for a W100 over single HD springs.

Max

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:18 am
by lil_azza
Ok thanks,
What is the purpose of straight cut?

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:51 am
by Max Welton
With helical gears a certain amount of torque is converted to axial force because of the angle that the gears are cut. As spring pressures and lift go up with more radical cams that force also rises.

Straight-cut gears reduce or eliminate that axial force on the cam. And they make noise.

Max

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:17 pm
by Marc
The W100 is pretty mild and doesn't really demand any valvetrain upgrades, but personally I would run HD single springs (nuthin' fancy, just an inexpensive "entry-level" set from Bugpack or CBPerformance) and double thrust bearings. These days you can buy DT sets off the shelf. Inspect the thrust surfaces of the camshaft - if they're porous and rough, they're going to chew up the thrust bearings quickly...you're actually better off sanding them smooth and increasing the initial endplay; in the long run the bearings will last longer.
With the Kadrons and unported heads you probably won't be buzzing it hard enough to encounter problems with the stock rockeram springclips, but IMO it would be worth it to invest in some "solid" shafts for peace of mind. They can take a while to set up properly, though, so if you aren't the assiduous type don't bother (just carry a spare stock rockershaft in a Baggie in your roadbox).

http://www.geneberg.com/cat.php?cPath=6_196_2787

The Berg solid shafts are gems, with a center spacer which can be locked in place...but a cheaper set with "floating" center spacer will do just fine in all but the most extreme of applications - just set them up with 1½-2 times the combined intake endfloat.

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:37 pm
by Max Welton
Yes. Solid rocker shafts are a good idea. I broke a clip under a very mild cam and singles. I wasn't running a screen at the time. Broke the pump drive tang. Cost me an engine.

Max

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:23 pm
by Piledriver
The thickwall 92s are also an excellent Bus option, they can be had in the 92mm case register, heads must be cut for 94mm.

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:25 pm
by Piledriver
lil_azza wrote:Ok thanks,
What is the purpose of straight cut?
Usually because they make "cool" noises. :twisted:

A noted, wild cam/spring setups can use them for good reason.

Re: 1776 BUILD

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:40 pm
by lil_azza
Ok thanks iv also been instructed that a fk41 cam would be good , shat are ur thoughts?
As its all cut already il probably just use 90.5mm but i have been offered a set of 92s :)