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Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:10 pm
by coxcarrera
Here are the engine specs :

Type 4 Case
Scat 86mm
Pistons J&E 4.210"
Deutz cylinder
Pauter Head
Pauter Rod
Pauter Camshaft
Lifters T. Pieper 58 gram with bushings
Autocraft Wet Sump Pump Stage 2
Flywheel 215mm 914 2L
Helix clutch & dics
Porsche 930 Fans 226mm 11 blades
Pair of the throttle bodies Injection performance


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Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:14 pm
by dstar5000
GO FOR IT!
:D

Don

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:03 am
by warp
That's a mean beast! :twisted:

Do you have any specs on the Pauter cam?

Are the Deutz cylinders really big enough for 107mm pistons??

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:10 am
by Rolf
Hi

Double check with Pauter and make sure the rods don't interfere with the cam. Last time I saw Pauter rods on a 86 mm type 4 crank the rods interfered with the cam big time:( Although it was a cam with smaller
base circle. Fat Performance sells some nice Cunninghams look a like rods as well as real Cuninghams rods
and they will clear the cam nicely.


/Rolf

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:06 pm
by coxcarrera
warp wrote:That's a mean beast! :twisted:

Do you have any specs on the Pauter cam?

Are the Deutz cylinders really big enough for 107mm pistons??

Specs Pauter cam :


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Deutz cylinders machined :

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Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 2:20 pm
by coxcarrera
Rolf wrote:Hi

Double check with Pauter and make sure the rods don't interfere with the cam. Last time I saw Pauter rods on a 86 mm type 4 crank the rods interfered with the cam big time:( Although it was a cam with smaller
base circle. Fat Performance sells some nice Cunninghams look a like rods as well as real Cuninghams rods
and they will clear the cam nicely.
/Rolf
Yes , i had checked :wink: i have 1.2mm of the clearance pauter rod light / cam pauter !

Pauter 5.7 and New Pauter Rod light for my engine / cranksahft 86mm :

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Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 4:29 pm
by Steve Arndt
Can you show more pics of your chuck and fixturing to lathe the cylinders please?

Steve

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:58 pm
by Type 4 Unleashed
Pauter makes rods that clear cams on big strokers, and they provide as much clearance as the Cunninghamn rods do. Just not a lot of people know about them. And these rods use 5/16 ARP Custom Age 625 Plus bolts with a Fastener Yield Strength (psi) 260,000 psi to 280,000 psi rating, where the Cunningham rods use I believe H-11 Tool Steel Bolts with a Fastener Yield Strength (psi) 220,000 psi rating.

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 1:36 pm
by Wally
Type 4 Unleashed wrote:Pauter makes rods that clear cams on big strokers, and they provide as much clearance as the Cunninghamn rods do. Just not a lot of people know about them. And these rods use 5/16 ARP Custom Age 625 Plus bolts with a Fastener Yield Strength (psi) 260,000 psi to 280,000 psi rating, where the Cunningham rods use I believe H-11 Tool Steel Bolts with a Fastener Yield Strength (psi) 220,000 psi rating.
Good info!
Pauter FTW!

Whats the weight difference cox?

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Sat May 14, 2011 4:32 pm
by craigvwdude
just curious, what head studs are you going to use? and how many?

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 10:53 am
by coxcarrera
Steve Arndt wrote:Can you show more pics of your chuck and fixturing to lathe the cylinders please?

Steve
To avoid vibration at the machining :

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Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:36 pm
by Clatter
To avoid vibration at the machining
Oh... to dampen harminics, and provide a good finish...

I thought they were torque plates, to simulate the compression of heads bolted in place.
Did you use torque plates when coming upon the finished size?

Those cylinders look thick enough that they might not gain any benefit from a torque plate..

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Tue May 17, 2011 9:43 pm
by Steve Arndt
We term it "chatter" not vibration in the tooling/fixturing.
Nice improvisation.
s

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 11:55 pm
by dstar5000
I would have cut them down to length first, that would went a long way to stopping the chatter...

DOn

Re: Big Type lV Build 3.1L

Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:01 am
by coxcarrera
craigvwdude wrote:just curious, what head studs are you going to use? and how many?
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