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427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:48 am
by -Alex77-
After trying to hassle with standard size injectors, i have decided to buy pico injenctors because there is no too much space.
My engine is N/A 2276cc about 200hp, and 330cc/min/3bar pico injectors should be just good, but at the future i might need bigger injectors, like 400-450cc/min/3bar. There is also 427cc and 490cc/min/3bar pico injectors, are the these too big to run on a N/A 200hp engine?
Obvious reason to get bigger injectors if someday i will add boost

Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:30 am
by MinamiKotaro
I ran 504cc injectors on a 1915 that had maybe 90HP when not on boost.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:24 pm
by Typ 11 Beetle
I use 470CC injectors an a N/A 2,4 l with no problems.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:34 pm
by Turbo_Manx_Maniac
500cc here.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:16 pm
by panel
Turbo_Manx_Maniac wrote:500cc here.
I thought you were turboed?
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:16 pm
by MarioVelotta
panel wrote:Turbo_Manx_Maniac wrote:500cc here.
I thought you were turboed?
I'm thinking that this has to do with idle PW and being to big to idle good with the larger injectors, Am I wrong?
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:21 am
by Turbo_Manx_Maniac
MarioVelotta wrote:panel wrote:Turbo_Manx_Maniac wrote:500cc here.
I thought you were turboed?
I'm thinking that this has to do with idle PW and being to big to idle good with the larger injectors, Am I wrong?
Right, I was thinking he was concerned about idle quality with the larger injectors, and I run 50lb injectors. Good idle quality and plenty of headroom when on boost.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:36 am
by fastback
i'm positive that this will work just fine.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:37 am
by -Alex77-
Yes, i thougt so that 427cc/min/3bar injectors might work.
With this setup it looks like this, there is definetly not too much space. Anyone have/had similar problems? How have you solved these problems?
I might also make slimmer fuel rails, these at the moment are same size as CB rails, just different threads on ends.

Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:35 am
by panel
Can you flip it or the TB around and go inboard?
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:36 pm
by -Alex77-
Only if i can find intake manifolds with reverse mounting possibilites for IDF style bodies, that are straight and have enough material for match porting. I have thought this few times already, so far i havent found manifolds. Also one possibility is to weld injector bungs to bottom of the manifolds, like some have done already.
But with that combo on the pictures, i have successfully run idle and low rpm, without hitting any components to sidewalls, but it is very tight.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:00 pm
by Fiatdude
I really depends on the injectors you have and how they supply/graph out -- -- not all injectors offer linear supply all the way thru their fuel curve
Don't know if you want to try these as they are $195 ea but you can look at the graphs and see how some injectors "stumble" at the bottom
http://www.t1racedevelopment.com/en/for ... =15&id=128
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 4:42 pm
by Piledriver
Very informative !!!
Slowtwitch dug up some pico injectors, only about an inch long, commonly used on motorcycles and jet skis...
(I picked up a GSXR harness for $10 on ebay for matching connectors to use on mine)
The ones I'm using came off a 160HP 1100cc jet ski (commonly pushed to 220+ in racing trim, same injectors)
I also picked up 8 zero mile injectors for $100 with 8 free 42mm flange mount ITBs only 60mm high.
(Recall leftovers NIB)
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:23 am
by -Alex77-
Well i am not going to buy 195$ injectors, 60$ pico injectors should work adequately. Already have designed slimmer fuel rail.
Re: 427cc/min/3bar injectors too big on a N/A 200hp engine?
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:28 pm
by MarioVelotta
I really would like some ID injectors. I can't decide on 725 or 1000's since my 570's are about tapped.