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Tapping for oil temperature sender and others

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:45 am
by Fanie
I am in the process of reassembling a 1600cc Type 1.
Previously I have been using the sump drain plug and oil pressure relief valve to read the oil temperatures. As none of the above are exposed to direct oil flow, I am seriously considering this setup.

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It is situated in an area exposed to direct oil flow - post the oil pump - as I understand it.

Question 1: Which metric thread size should I use?
The ID is 21 mm - a 22mm 1.8 would thus not work.
I believe 23mm 1.8 metric tap is hard to come by - I am thus left with a 24mm 1.8 as the smallest size. Would I have enough "flesh" for that size not to jeopardise the strength of the block at that plug.

Question 2: If am to use a blueprinted 26mm oil pump with the setup in the picture below as my oil return, do I need to only tap the existing plug hole or is there additional engineering / machining required?

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Question 3: Is it normal for the sump temperature to read substantially lower than the oil pressure relieve valve. I would think it normal but then a few people have been reporting the contrary?

Thanks for your values advice...

NOTE: All images used with compliments of http://www.huelsmann.us/bugman/

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:25 pm
by david58
Drilling, Tapping, & Full-Flow Filter Tech
http://www.huelsmann.us/bugman/FilterTech.html

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:23 pm
by Gavin
I had the temperature sensor on the sump and then changed to the location you show - I found a big difference in temperatures - with the sump much lower. (stock 1600 dp). The sump plug temperature is useless IMO.

I've forgotten what the size of the tap I used was - got an old case and practised. I used the boss and sump temperature sender that VDO supply.
Ended out cutting down the boss to expose a greater amount of the sensor. The alternative was to use a sensor with a longer "nose" but I didn't like this because it might obstruct the gallery.

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:29 pm
by bugninva
Gavin wrote: The sump plug temperature is useless IMO.

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a sender in the sump plug hole is right at the pickup...it senses the temperature of the oil that the oil pump is pulling into the pickup...far from useless...

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:51 pm
by Gavin
I say useless because it read cooler than the temperature measured next to the pump (shown in the picture above) and cooler than the Berg dipstick sensor. And when I say cooler I mean 20 C cooler.

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:12 pm
by bugninva
Gavin wrote:I say useless because it read cooler than the temperature measured next to the pump (shown in the picture above) and cooler than the Berg dipstick sensor. And when I say cooler I mean 20 C cooler.
its been several years, but the last time i checked temperature through the dipstick hole it was right there with the sump sensor... a sensor in the sump plate is a good indicator of oil temp in the sump...if you want to know your operating oil temperature(what the bearings see) it needs to be taken after the cooler...not before the pump...

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:23 pm
by WildBill
8) I mounted mine on the inlet side of my remote oil filter. Used a homemade adapter.

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