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Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:35 pm
by Wally
xzener wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:52 pm Wally,

That's a Sidewinder header right?
Correct! Whats works good for n/a, works even better boosted πŸ˜‰

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:03 am
by xzener
If all goes well with my AMR500... and I have a few thousand miles of enjoyment, I plan on using mine for turbo too. Nice to see someone has done it.

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:00 am
by Michael1
Hi Wally , what turbo did you use on the 1200cc engine?

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:58 am
by Wally
Michael1 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:00 am Hi Wally , what turbo did you use on the 1200cc engine?
9 years ago I used a subaru TD04L-13T unit, great turbo, would have used it again, but could not find one anymore for reasonable money.
The one in the pics is also a 2 ltr street unit, this time from a Saab 9-3: Garrett GT1752S. The 13T has a 56mm compressor exducer wheel for comparison. Garrett is 52mm (smaller, i assume it makes less power therefore)

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:04 am
by Michael1
Thanks for the reply :-)

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:56 pm
by Udo Airbus
Hi Walter I have a td04 13T for sale. from a BMW diesel.

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:34 am
by Wally
Udo Airbus wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:56 pm Hi Walter I have a td04 13T for sale. from a BMW diesel.
I have that one too...
Its a TD-04L-13T that you want: that one is from a Suby.
Its just one letter difference πŸ˜‰

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:55 am
by Michael1
Have you tried a cheap one from china?

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:28 pm
by Wally
Michael1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:55 am Have you tried a cheap one from china?
That would plan B when the current Garrett doesn’t reach 200hp (and when I think it might be turbo’s limits), but for now, lets just try and finish the engine and make it running πŸ˜‰

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:53 am
by blue thunder
Why not go for a TD03-10TK3 (BMW N54)? It can flow 200 hp and is way less laggy compared to a TD04....

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:10 am
by Michael1
Hi , could tell us more about the BMW Turbo ? They seem to be onepiecewith the Header ?

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:28 pm
by Wally
blue thunder wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:53 am Why not go for a TD03-10TK3 (BMW N54)? It can flow 200 hp and is way less laggy compared to a TD04....
If I can find one cheap, maybe a great idea if I dont reach 200hp this August?

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:01 am
by blue thunder
Michael1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:10 am Hi , could tell us more about the BMW Turbo ? They seem to be onepiecewith the Header ?
That is correct. The manifold has a double layer for insulation purposes, and is welded to the turbine housing. It is easy to cut off the turbine housing and make a flange or, even better, a V-clamp flange for it and weld it to the turbinehousing (you do need the correct welding material for that).
In stock application the engine makes 306 bhp and 400Nm of torque (from 1300 rpm to 5500 rpm) and that is all at just 0.5 bar of boost. With some simple mods (like intercooler, downpipes) and some tuning, 400 whp on pumpgas is not unusual. When pushing the limit on E85, even 500 whp is obtainable, but not very reliable at that stage.
The 10TK3 compressorwheel is quite large for the TD03 turbine wheel. Placing a larger compressorwheel on the stock turbinewheel does not really have benefits. Alpina tried it, but in the end, they stuck with the original 10TK3 compressor. In the Alpina configuration, the engine makes 400 bhp and 600Nm of torque. However,there are aftermarket turbine wheels with 9 blades instead of 11, which can flow slightly more and could handle a slightly larger compressorwheel. All in all a great turbo for smaller engines, as the TD03 will spool a lot easier and is very compact as well....

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:09 am
by Michael1
Sounds cool.
So the secret is the welding material , as welding cast iron is not easy.
And if you mate it with a steel or stainless v-band flange doesnt make it easier .
So what is the secret welding rod called?
The turbo itself is not very expensive in used condition.
TIA
Michael

Re: 200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:23 am
by blue thunder
The turbine housing of a BMW N54 is not cast iron, but rather a high grade stainless steel alloy. I have had very good results welding this material to different types of stainless steel (304, 310, 321 etc) using inconel 625 TIG filler rod.