VW Engine Build-Off Input Request

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:12 am

It's all about timing for me....
The SCCA Run Offs are at that same time of year and I have to support my guys while they are going for the gold (On TV)

Chico Performance Racing · Tue May 09, 2006 11:18 pm

Ok these is the same list the builder's will getting good luck

Official Dyno event rules

1. 2332cc or smaller type 1 engine
Standard 94mm bore no head stud off set allowed.
2. VW OEM head's or equivalent (example's GO1-GO2-G03-CB044-040-041)
One spark plug per cylinder,Air-cooled type1 head,welded head ok (no super flow wanna bee)
OEM valve guide location no relocating allowed
OEM valve covers must be used
3. 5.7 connecting rod on shorter VW-Chevy-Porsche journal only
4. 2'' exhaust header or smaller must have a muffler.
No stingers
5. Carbs IDA,IDF,DRLA,SOLEX 52mm or smaller only (linkage must be ready to just hook to cable nut)
No F.I system of any allowed
Engine must have a stock or electric fuel pump mounted to engine or AN - 6 on carbs( Makes it alot easier to hook on dyno)
6. Intake manifold any
can be welded no taps of any on intakes
7.Distributors must be in it's location Mallory,Bosch,MSD allowed
Mags ok but must work off dist drive pinion only
8.One fan belt only must be from crank pulley to alternator or generator
fan must be in place, no electric cooling of any can be used,no fan clutch system.
No power pulley,serpentine pulley's ok,fan must turn with crank pulley
9.Standard 36mm oil pump or smaller, no dry sump system of any allowed
no external oil cooler allowed,filter base and oil filter only.
10. 4qt deepsump or smaller
11.All sheet metal must be in place
must have doghouse style oil cooler type1 oil cooler or type 4 oil cooler only
12. NO vacuum pump of any allowed.
13. No type of turbos,superchargers, or N.O.S allowed no added gases or injection system allowed other then 91 octane 100% carbs
14. tappered camshaft any grind with solid lifter or ceramic only (no roller)
15. 35 min max on dyno so have her ready highest number's are recorded. Rpm range 3500-4500-5500-6500

In event for sure

1. Geoff Hart (AZ)
2. Steve Tims (CA)
3. Shawn Moore (CA)
4. Brothers VW machine Shop (CA)
5. James Beahm (GA)
6. CB Performance(CA)
7. Clyde Berg (CA)
8. Victor Menjivar (CA)

cnavarro · Post by **cnavarro** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:43 am

How about a sustained 50 HP load @ 3500 rpm, like Eric suggested? It's a great real world test that holds more in my book that raw HP figures, assuming that there will be real data acquisition, like head temps, egt, etc. Even if you just monitored a single head temp, the senders are dirt cheap and everyone should be forced to run the same sender.

Charles Navarro
LN Engineering
http://www.LNengineering.com
Aircooled Precision Performance

dstar5000 · Post by **dstar5000** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:57 am

WOW! Let's see who can build the best Type I engine....BUWAHAHHAHAHA!

Again, no Type 4 allowed.......we wouldn't want to spank those TI guys
in an engine buld-off, now would we?

I thought you guys wanted diversity, you know, "ten different configurations", was posted somewhere in this thread....

You're ending up with 8 2332 clones, just built by different folks.

Good luck guys!

Don

Eaallred · Post by **Eaallred** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:39 pm

Limitations create immitations.

CTACH · Post by **CTACH** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:59 pm

Ill put my money on Geoff Hart Racing.

dstar5000 · Post by **dstar5000** » Thu May 11, 2006 6:06 am

Eaallred wrote:Limitations create immitations.

DAMN! You summed up my entire post in three words?

Don

Gareth · Post by **Gareth** » Fri May 12, 2006 1:01 pm

dstar5000 wrote:
Eaallred wrote:Limitations create immitations.
DAMN! You summed up my entire post in three words?

Don

Verbosity is played out...

Eaallred · Post by **Eaallred** » Fri May 12, 2006 2:51 pm

dstar5000 · Post by **dstar5000** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:18 am

BUWAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

Don

turbo_bob · Post by **turbo_bob** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:53 pm

Eaallred wrote:94 limit; 96mm pistons
I personally have bee pushing for a cc limit instead of a bore and stroke limit that way the Type 4 guys could play since 96's are fairly common.

The type 4 2.0 engine uses 94 mm bore stock.

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu May 18, 2006 5:11 am

I think that thowing a TIV in the mix would do nothing but create even more headaches for Chico when trying to create a more level playing field.

I would LOVE to put together something for the event, but I know that with the differences between TI and TIV that the rules that would be fair to each engine would be damn near impossible to create..

This looks like it may be an annual event, so let's see how it goes this year for Chico and maybe next year he can take what he learned from this first event and apply it toward a set of more universal, but "fair" rules.

Eaallred · Post by **Eaallred** » Thu May 18, 2006 7:24 am

turbo_bob wrote:
Eaallred wrote:94 limit; 96mm pistons
I personally have bee pushing for a cc limit instead of a bore and stroke limit that way the Type 4 guys could play since 96's are fairly common.
The type 4 2.0 engine uses 94 mm bore stock.

And a Type 1 engine uses 85.5 mm bore stock. But they have been allowed all along to run larger than stock bores that are common. My point being, 96mm bore is common with Type 4's, so why not let them run it?

As far as a "level" playing field, i'd throw that in the garbage. Make it as un-level as it wants to see what variety shows up to play. Like stated earlier, make it a showcase, not a contest. Show the spectators what kinds of DIFFERENT things can be accomplished to reach the same goal.

JohnConnolly · Post by **JohnConnolly** » Thu May 18, 2006 9:52 am

oh brother. The field is level when you say "2300cc limit, get it however you want". A bunch of clone motors is going to put readers to sleep.

I WOULD be interested in a 2270 T-4 (78 X 96mm), 2300 T-4 (69 X 103mm), 82 X 94mm T-1, 88 X 90.5mm T-1, etc That would be cool!

John
Aircooled.Net Inc.

turbo_bob · Post by **turbo_bob** » Thu May 18, 2006 3:17 pm

Larger bore, equals larger valves, equals more H/P.