200hp 1200DP Turbo 'Challenger motor'

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Congrats man! 91hp corrected I pressume? The same 12% or so?

250hp from a 1300cc should be doable with a turbo.

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Wally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:19 am Well, it still made 91hp! I was obviously very pleased with that!
When I know all results of the others, I post it up.
Some crazy Berliner made 250hp from a 1300cc!
Congrats!
Thats very stout and bodes well for when you bolt the snail onto it!!!

As for that Berliner....
I'll have her/him one day in the unofficial 1285cc/77mm bore class
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Kalle wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:38 am Congrats man! 91hp corrected I pressume? The same 12% or so?

250hp from a 1300cc should be doable with a turbo.

-K-
Tnx! Yes, already corrected for drivetrain losses.
But no, not as a percentage as its a (very) different Dyno.
It seems pretty accurate as original engines basically had original hp numbers, but other then that, its an old unit also used for trucks LOL!
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi in a streetlegal 1303

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That's awesome. Triple the power it started with!
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Wally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:19 am
Some crazy Berliner made 250hp from a 1300cc!
OMG :shock:
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Vid of the dynoruns:

https://youtu.be/0BOuLUNAhfw
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So there is a replacement for displacement!
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That’s mega out of a 1200! What rpm did you hit and peak at?
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andy198712 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:46 am That’s mega out of a 1200! What rpm did you hit and peak at?
6275 RPM 😊

Dyno might have been a little optimistic I think, but still 😁
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What spec is the “Salzburg” 1641?
Does it have any original parts or is it a cut down fan shroud on a different spec engine. Strong PS from it, so curious.

Interesting mix of engines :)
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Bruce.m wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:21 am What spec is the “Salzburg” 1641?
Does it have any original parts or is it a cut down fan shroud on a different spec engine. Strong PS from it, so curious.

Interesting mix of engines :)
Only know it has FK89 cam with 48IDA’s.. Could not be measured properly I understood, so outputnumber you saw might not be accurate..
T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi in a streetlegal 1303

"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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Well known posure for the car as dyno mule :lol:
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Most fun was the original 1200 industrial engine in the buggy, where only the Empi 4-1 exhaust was put on.
The evening before, the guys brought à home made kit of parts, amongst which a GT1544 turbo and in 2,5 hours of wrenching, it made 76hp on the Dyno next day!!
Totally amazing wrenching and carb conversion skills!
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Walter nice figures… and nice video..
Really cool nowdays…
Man 250HP on a biturbo 1300.... i say whooo
You are now going to put a turbo on the 1200 and see how much power there is?????
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Thanks to Sascha for making the video.

Wally, your 1200 sounded mean!!
May I ask a favour? I noticed that the compound turbo 1641 Fiat was also from the Netherlands, by any chance do you know if they have a build thread?

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Eddie: the 1300 is a single twin scroll turbo (from a Mini).. :wink:
But yes, next year a turbo will sit on this one (hence the section this post is in :mrgreen: )
First I'll try to retard the cam a bunch to see if it will pull a little more up top and to get a good torque chart from my usual dyno place (you know the one :wink: )

Good eye Marc, but sorry, the owner (Hendrik) doesn't do website write ups afaik..
I did make a picture when he took the rear apron off though 8)

There was a lot more in it, but his injectors maxxed out and the clutch slipped heavily..

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T4T: 2,4ltr Type 4 Turbo engine, 10.58 1/4 mi in a streetlegal 1303

"Mine isn't turbo'd to make a slow engine fast, but to make a fast engine insane" - Chip Birks
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