Engle Cams

[turbowd57rag]

barring german ones,odds are good that the lifters are leaving the same loading dock also

[CamMan]

Engle offers all there cams cut for stroker motors with flats only not cut down in O.D.w/ rounded corners.

[MASSIVE TYPE IV]

Like I said, one bad in over 300+, thats it....they are proven to me.

[JoeSumen]

We have been offering Engle Cams for YEARS. We AVERAGE 40 Cam and related part sales PER MONTH. That`s approximately 2400 over the past 5 years. You can BET when a customer purchases components from us, we hear about ANY failures. We do everything possible to keep our customers happy and many times have replaced components ON THE MANUFACTURERS behalf without compensation, in order to do so. Being seriously involved with the "Cam-gone-flat" syndrome a few years back, we found no DEFINATIVE reason for the maladies. Many, or most were a result of improper assembly and/or break-in procedures. Interestingly, the camshafts with REDUCED base circles had a higher failure rate. There was also some question pertaining to the Brazilian lifters. These were interesting since not all failures were
easily identified as lifter OR cam in origin.
Another overlooked FACT. EVERY VW cam grinder in the U.S. purchases "blanks" from the same source. These blanks arrive "flame hardened", from that SAME SINGLE SOURCE. We determined that we WILL NOT carry ANY cams with a reduced base circle, since the surface hardening is greatly jeopardized. Also, since cast iron has poor torsional properties we favor the absolute minimum in material removal for stroker applications. On EVERY other manufacturers stroker clearenced cam that I am aware of, the circumference of the cam between lobes has been ground to a smaller diameter. This includes the grinding of the "flats" and the adjacent radius surfaces. Unnecessary material removal makes for a fundementally weaker component. Engle has been, and will continue to be our choice for quality cams.


Joe

[James2]

My engle cam looked great, but my SCAT lifters pitted and dished like hell.

We don't have a flat cam problem, we have a lifter problem.

[JoeSumen]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by James2:
<B>My engle cam looked great, but my SCAT lifters pitted and dished like hell.

We don't have a flat cam problem, we have a lifter problem.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I assume you mean "we" as you. I`ve seen many variations of said problems with many combinations of cam/lifters. Johnson, Bilstein, Mahle, Scat, Engle, Schneider, Erson and the beat goes on.... I`ve seen lifter bores so loose the lifter acted as a "broaching" tool when the builder failed to properly spec his case.. I even had a situation where the builder claimed he "always assembled lifter/cam dry" with no problems citing "faster work hardening" to occur..So many variables...We use the EDM Scat Lube-a-lobe lifter. We`ve had ZERO failures so far. But cumulative running time will be the determining factor. Also, we pressurize the oil system BEFORE start-up and make certain proper RPM is maintained during break-in cycle..All standard given procedures I realize, yet so many fail to do so...


Joe

[TeStBuD]

All cams can go flat if you get a piece of trash between the cam and the lifter....I have yet to see a certain brand worse or better than another...That is just flame boy stuff....Or someone sponsered by a certain cam grinder.....I have never had a cam go flat.....engle cams and bugpack lifters.with proper lube and break-in .....Nuff said...

[MinamiKotaro]

Never had a problem with Engle cams, and we've used them a lot.

We've only had two Web Cams. One went flat instantly but that could have been a failure on our end during break in (even though we followed the manufacturer instructions). The other was a 119 (I think) in my old 1915 with 36 Dell'ortos, and it was an abomination. No bottom end, no midrange, and no top end, either. A stock cam had more power and torque, even more RPM.

My next "turbo" cam is going to be an 86A on 112 lobe centers. I hope it works.

[raygreenwood]

You guys are looking at a 7 year old thread. Vast amounts of information has passed under the bridge since then. Yes...cam blanks and lifters of most if not all manufacturers may be made by the same people. But...The difference is in what each manufacturer does to their cams. How they are hardened, polished/surfacesd...and to what hardness and surface treatment lifter they pair a given lobe surface with. There are also still a lot ofporblems out there. And...a lot of this conversation was actually centered around type 4 cam failures...not so much type 1. Ray

[rockerarm]

I know that Engle and Web are household names around here, but anybody have experience with CB's line of cams? My interest is primarily with smaller line of cams for use with stock ratio rocker arms.

[kangaboy]

With 34 Weber ICT's the Engle 110 will run a little rough at and off idle, especially if you don't have any port work done. It will still run good, but I think there are better choices for a cam if you are running ICT's. Looking at cam specs, I'd say that Web makes better cams for your application. They have a better selection of mild and stock ratio rocker arm cams. Give Web a look!

TG

Well im in the same situation as far as the ICTs and wanting a 1776....if not a W110, what would you run?

[mango-smoothie]

I know that Engle and Web are household names around here, but anybody have experience with CB's line of cams? My interest is primarily with smaller line of cams for use with stock ratio rocker arms.

they are engle's

[sparkmaster1]

I've always had good luck with CB cams. They have a very large range of grinds to suit your engine combination. I believe they are their own grinds and not Engle Cams.

[busman78]

CB's brand is Eagle

[rockerarm]

I was out at CB's Drag Day yesterday, March 14, and i stopped by the CB booth and asked "who grinds your cams?" A guy there, did not get his name, stated they grind there own and have been since the '70's. And he said they get there blanks from a supplier in the USA (I believe he said Detroit or Chicago) and not Mexico as the others do. I guess I will be giving there "cheater cam" a try in my bus motor.