I did end up tearing the second worn out chair apart in order to make a second table. It took me a bit of time and playing around before I decided not to use the height post mainly because if it were lowered down to its bottom setting, the great grandkids were playing on it and the adjusting handle was pushed all the way, I don't know if the kids could get hurt or not from potential being thrown around. Better safe than sorry.
Other than buying a second of that odd fastener I am using scrap from other things I have done. The two tables will have different heights to them as they are designed to be used with camping chairs and my home-made chairs made from car seats.
I have some additional welding to do on the upright poles as I am still contemplating tabletop heights and some other things.
I'm still sticking with the 30" X 30" tops but again, that could change also.
I'll try to get some pictures outside soon, but it is raining again and will for a few more days before Spring actually hits here.
Lee
Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
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Ol'fogasaurus
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I'm having problems posting here. This is how I made a certain sized washer/mount to the rolling base. It took some different work as I had to first drill a small pilot hole for centering the hole saw. I then saw the hole part way through the thick plate then pulled the hole saw from the drill press. I then ree-drilled the hole to make it big enough for the main bolt to come through. I then put the hole saw back on and used the hole that was cut mostly through the plate to finish off the making of the washer.
This shows the two setups (the one round top will not be used as it is too small in dia.) it was just for seeing how high the rolling tables were to outdoor sitting equipment.
By making the main pole in the 5 wheeled stand you could make anything like a reading stand when working on technical stuff or you could slip in a thinner rolled stock into the first piece and add thumb screws for different height use.
This is something like the 4th time I have tried to post this. I think it is my Gnu computer causing the problems.
Lee
This shows the two setups (the one round top will not be used as it is too small in dia.) it was just for seeing how high the rolling tables were to outdoor sitting equipment.
By making the main pole in the 5 wheeled stand you could make anything like a reading stand when working on technical stuff or you could slip in a thinner rolled stock into the first piece and add thumb screws for different height use.
This is something like the 4th time I have tried to post this. I think it is my Gnu computer causing the problems.
Lee
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
This is the picture that was supposed to be in the lower duplicate picture.
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
I mentioned on another post that I found some plywood for the top of the tables. 18" square and 5/8 thick scrap material.
We started to cut tops for the two stands with wheels (not everyone is excited about them) but... just-in-case we cut an extra top. I was doing some cleanup where I put things out of the way but not in the garage when I ran into a brake drum that isn't usable and .... Humm!
When my wife is working in her gardens in the yard, I quite often sit in a chair by her so I can empty the buckets she puts the stuff in, so she doesn't have to get up and down all the time.
The plastic table I have been using for my book and coke is broken across the top. The break is from on one side and it is failing farther across fairly quickly so... why not make an additional table out of the scrap brake drum and materials I have around here... the same stuff for the rolling tables.
Still active and still doing some work on the black buggy.
Lee
We started to cut tops for the two stands with wheels (not everyone is excited about them) but... just-in-case we cut an extra top. I was doing some cleanup where I put things out of the way but not in the garage when I ran into a brake drum that isn't usable and .... Humm!
When my wife is working in her gardens in the yard, I quite often sit in a chair by her so I can empty the buckets she puts the stuff in, so she doesn't have to get up and down all the time.
The plastic table I have been using for my book and coke is broken across the top. The break is from on one side and it is failing farther across fairly quickly so... why not make an additional table out of the scrap brake drum and materials I have around here... the same stuff for the rolling tables.
Still active and still doing some work on the black buggy.
Lee
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
I am at the point where the table tops need to be mounted to the mounting plates that fit onto the posts.
The tabletops are scrap plywood and are 5/8 thick by 18-inch squares, the top mounts are 0.06 flat stock. I am not a wood worker, so I need some advice on the fasteners to use. Right now each mounting plate has 4 small pilot holes, one at each corner of the rectangular plates.
The are now two tables with wheels have angles to the corners where the pilot holes are. Since I don't know what people will do to them, I added them for additional strength.
I also made a similar table based on a 5 lug front brake drum (not reusable as a brake drum) but (so far) have not added the additional strength brackets connecting the center tube's slide-in top mount. I will use it at the front of the house in the AM when the sun is behind me (e.g., the house blocking the heat and bright light) so I use it when I sit out there and read and have some pop or orange juice to keep me fluid. The wife gardens and I empty the buckets of growth she doesn't want for her (my back [a genetic thing] won't let me do the kind of stuff she can get away with) so that is the best I can do. I can still mow and trim but not get down and dirty and be able to get back up.
Anyway, any ideas on the length and dia. of the screws to use. I am pretty sure that the hole will be 1/2" or less deep. I could use a through bolt setup but then the heads would be in the way of stuff they (the women in the group) want to put on the top.
Got any ideas?
Lee
The tabletops are scrap plywood and are 5/8 thick by 18-inch squares, the top mounts are 0.06 flat stock. I am not a wood worker, so I need some advice on the fasteners to use. Right now each mounting plate has 4 small pilot holes, one at each corner of the rectangular plates.
The are now two tables with wheels have angles to the corners where the pilot holes are. Since I don't know what people will do to them, I added them for additional strength.
I also made a similar table based on a 5 lug front brake drum (not reusable as a brake drum) but (so far) have not added the additional strength brackets connecting the center tube's slide-in top mount. I will use it at the front of the house in the AM when the sun is behind me (e.g., the house blocking the heat and bright light) so I use it when I sit out there and read and have some pop or orange juice to keep me fluid. The wife gardens and I empty the buckets of growth she doesn't want for her (my back [a genetic thing] won't let me do the kind of stuff she can get away with) so that is the best I can do. I can still mow and trim but not get down and dirty and be able to get back up.
Anyway, any ideas on the length and dia. of the screws to use. I am pretty sure that the hole will be 1/2" or less deep. I could use a through bolt setup but then the heads would be in the way of stuff they (the women in the group) want to put on the top.
Got any ideas?
Lee
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
Well, if gravity is mostly keeping the tabletop in place, four drywall screws will do it.
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
Thanks BB, I'll look into that.
As a kid, and later in life, I have seen plywood fail especially when there is moisture around (and the wood not sealed well), so I have become leery about plywood because of that.
The tables on wheels will be kept in the garage when not in use which still remains fairly dry inside, but it is the Great Grand Kids that I am concerned about as they are very active, youngest is less that 5 years old. I get to watch them play at their home so what they are going there at times one has to protect them from (running and jumping onto furniture I look at like climbing on the tables and potentially riding them around).
Your "gravity" comment is funny (not funny ha-ha) assuming you didn't mean it to be so. Where they will be used is in a "U"-shaped driveway and it is pretty steep other than at the entrance to the garage where the adults sit and congregate.
There is more to the story than just this too.
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
I looked up drywall screws and, so far, the shortest ones I have found a 1". The plywood it 5/8 inch thick.
I'll do some more looking around to see if there are shorter ones... more like 1/2".
I did another search and found 1/2" long screws and Home Depot which I will have to go and look at.
Lee
I'll do some more looking around to see if there are shorter ones... more like 1/2".
I did another search and found 1/2" long screws and Home Depot which I will have to go and look at.
Lee
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
Got the screws, in place and the tables are done and ready to be delivered to where they will be used. Mine will stay home and be used here.
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
Here’s the screws that I was thinking of.
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Re: Small, roll-around table built out of old parts.
I can't open this, I did find some screws around here that were recommended, SS and I got some smaller screws just in case it isn't working out. So far, they seems to be liked and after some testing the wheeled tables don't run down the fairly steep driveway when rolled into place the table remains there.
Thanks for the help.
Lee
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Got the tables to the usable point so we took the two on wheels down to the dunes. They worked ok but being bigger than most small tables they became places for stuff to collect .
I will try to get the tops painted to make them look better.
One other thing that did happen is that one of the two posts nuts you could clamp down tightly, put the table down then, a few minutes later the bolt had backed off so bad/hard that it took several rotations just to make contact with the washer. Looking around at stuff laying around and found a split washer in a pile of stuff, that the correct diameter and so far, the nut has remained on the bolt's threads correctly tight. Something weird that I have never run into before.
Lee
.I will try to get the tops painted to make them look better.
One other thing that did happen is that one of the two posts nuts you could clamp down tightly, put the table down then, a few minutes later the bolt had backed off so bad/hard that it took several rotations just to make contact with the washer. Looking around at stuff laying around and found a split washer in a pile of stuff, that the correct diameter and so far, the nut has remained on the bolt's threads correctly tight. Something weird that I have never run into before.
Lee
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Took the 2 tables down with no additional paint. I kept one with me and let the others play with the other one (we had a lot of noisy great grandkids don there) and the table ended up being a kechall with bottles and cans plus toys. Also found a stowing area that works out great so they will be down there for a while. When I mentioned using the area chosen, I got a couple of laughs. it was thought that no storage area could be found. Ya just never know does one.
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One of the things I learned on the 3rd table I made.
I used an old 5 stud front brake drum what was unusable for brakes. I made the post assembly for the tabletop to sit on out of a flat washer welded to the post to the drum. I turned the underside of the washer after welding the two together to see that they were a square assembly, plus I cut the lug nuts off the brake drum and made sure they were flat so when moving things one doesn't jump up and bite the person moving things. I then welded the post assembly and drum together then painted the assy.
Got the top mounted on the sleeve that goes over the post and took it outside to check how it sits along the rocking chair I sit in to read outside (when the weather is good anyway). Is it square... close but not perfect as it is used in a driveway. I didn't machine the part of the brake drum that the cover sits on and didn't machine the underside of the brake drum to check for flatness. It sits close to perfect but where I set the concrete is intentionally facing at a drainage angle then the other part of the driveway faces the other way... e.g., forming the drain for the parking area (we live close to the top of a fairly steep hill). This angle makes the top not perfect, but one can live with it unless you soft drink can starts to slide off (its not that really bad but I exaggerated a bit for others to watch for things like that if they decide to do something like this... planning ahead ).
One other thing, the tabletop does slide off but is held in place by a thumb screw. The post and brake drum add up to be both heavy and awkward so either taking the table off or grabbing hold of the assembly down low makes it easier to deal with when moving it in and out of the garage.
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I used an old 5 stud front brake drum what was unusable for brakes. I made the post assembly for the tabletop to sit on out of a flat washer welded to the post to the drum. I turned the underside of the washer after welding the two together to see that they were a square assembly, plus I cut the lug nuts off the brake drum and made sure they were flat so when moving things one doesn't jump up and bite the person moving things. I then welded the post assembly and drum together then painted the assy.
Got the top mounted on the sleeve that goes over the post and took it outside to check how it sits along the rocking chair I sit in to read outside (when the weather is good anyway). Is it square... close but not perfect as it is used in a driveway. I didn't machine the part of the brake drum that the cover sits on and didn't machine the underside of the brake drum to check for flatness. It sits close to perfect but where I set the concrete is intentionally facing at a drainage angle then the other part of the driveway faces the other way... e.g., forming the drain for the parking area (we live close to the top of a fairly steep hill). This angle makes the top not perfect, but one can live with it unless you soft drink can starts to slide off (its not that really bad but I exaggerated a bit for others to watch for things like that if they decide to do something like this... planning ahead
).One other thing, the tabletop does slide off but is held in place by a thumb screw. The post and brake drum add up to be both heavy and awkward so either taking the table off or grabbing hold of the assembly down low makes it easier to deal with when moving it in and out of the garage.
L:ee
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The weird fasteners I was advised to use didn't work. I found some normal wood fasteners to use but they were too close to being too long so I looked for washers which were not available here but I did find some nuts that the wood screws fit fairly tightly going through and used the nuts under the bolts heads. So far it is looking good structure wise but now I have to go to town to find more of the same.
Even though the tables had wheels on them, for moving them to storage they were carried via. the tabletop but rolled around for local use. From what I have been told they are well thought of by the users 
. Designs come and go and even work out well. 
Lee
One other thing I discovered is that the flat stock I used to connect the post to the tabletop wants to distort even to slight temperature or "working on them" changes. They warped when I was tacking the diagonals from the tube used for sliding the top on the post which I hammered flat before the mounting. They were warping when I was changing the fasteners too. This was scrap flat stock I had laying around for a long time, so I wasn't familiar with their nonsense.
Oh well, they are usable tables and I will have to live with it.
Lee
Even though the tables had wheels on them, for moving them to storage they were carried via. the tabletop but rolled around for local use. From what I have been told they are well thought of by the users
. Designs come and go and even work out well. Lee
One other thing I discovered is that the flat stock I used to connect the post to the tabletop wants to distort even to slight temperature or "working on them" changes. They warped when I was tacking the diagonals from the tube used for sliding the top on the post which I hammered flat before the mounting. They were warping when I was changing the fasteners too. This was scrap flat stock I had laying around for a long time, so I wasn't familiar with their nonsense.
Oh well, they are usable tables and I will have to live with it.
Lee