non locked distributor on turbo motor

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GARRICK.CLARK
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Re: non locked distributor on turbo motor

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Hi Krochus. I do use water ,but the engine will only use so much water ,too much and the fire goes soft. Bit like my standard coil. lol.
The only engine issue I have is a weak spark at the plug at high boost.
I dont really want to change my dissy/ignition to get a hotter spark because all though my set up is out dated it works well. But maybe its the only way.
Don't laff. :)
Standard coil, points and condenser.
Shame they don't do a beefy condenser then I could use a big coil.
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Yeah your reliance on a blue coil is a major hindrance. Mine would cut out over 6psi before I threw it away. The Dodge neon coil I run on my rail now sees 11 psi AND a pretty heavy dose of water meth plus I’m running an opened up .045 plug gap.

I’ll wager if you upgraded ignition you would have a transformational experience
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GARRICK.CLARK wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:00 am I can understand that its not the best way to go ,but its the only way my motor will run without it pinging.
I am looking into MS, Its just a little complicated for me at the minute.
What’s your AFR and intake temp on boost?
How much boost?
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Re: non locked distributor on turbo motor

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AFR 11.5. under boost.
1.5 bar .The ignition shows me its weakness when the boost gets high ,usually around 1.5.
Small plug gaps help a little.
I haven't got an Air temp fitted. I no the air is cold as the manifold after the single carb (Blow through) is iced up. I did fit an intercooler ,that started freezing the butterfly shaft so I took it off.

For a quick fix with an easy install I'm thinking about an MSD 6AL. I no its still using an out of date dizzy but I'm sure its gonna beef up the spark to enable to motor to stop cutting out at higher boost levels.
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For what a 6 al costs nowadays you could build a Megajolt distrubitorless system.

No way to candy coat it. Your ignition is letting ya down!

When I went from a 009 to Megajolt on my 2165 I ended up having to change the clutch too! Because all of a sudden it could now overpower the clutch under boost. That’s how much more power a decent ignition provided by itself.
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Re: non locked distributor on turbo motor

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Roger that. Reading the above is good to hear . As I recently had to fit a CB dual disc to stop a stage 2 slipping as it is now. I'll look into a mega jolt kit. I'll keep my fueling as it is .
So is Mega jolt the easiest to do.
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Re: non locked distributor on turbo motor

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GARRICK.CLARK wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:16 am Roger that. Reading the above is good to hear . As I recently had to fit a CB dual disc to stop a stage 2 slipping as it is now. I'll look into a mega jolt kit. I'll keep my fueling as it is .
So is Mega jolt the easiest to do.
I don’t know about easiest. The hardest part is mounting a trigger wheel and your vr sensor. The wiring I would say is on par with a quality headunit install.

It’s certainly the easiest cheapest way to crank trigger.

A CB magnaspark digital would accomplish much of the same but in a self contained distributor unit with a coil that’s still significantly more powerful than the blue

Supposedly you can use a ford tfi ignition module with points as a sort of relay if all you want to do is get a hotter spark with what you have now.
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Re: non locked distributor on turbo motor

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Krochus wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:37 am
GARRICK.CLARK wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:16 am Roger that. Reading the above is good to hear . As I recently had to fit a CB dual disc to stop a stage 2 slipping as it is now. I'll look into a mega jolt kit. I'll keep my fueling as it is .
So is Mega jolt the easiest to do.
I don’t know about easiest. The hardest part is mounting a trigger wheel and your vr sensor. The wiring I would say is on par with a quality headunit install.

It’s certainly the easiest cheapest way to crank trigger.

A CB magnaspark digital would accomplish much of the same but in a self contained distributor unit with a coil that’s still significantly more powerful than the blue

Supposedly you can use a ford tfi ignition module with points as a sort of relay if all you want to do is get a hotter spark with what you have now.
Without sounding like a pain, MS2 running ignition only is not that hard.

A crank trigger and a MAP sensor (manifold air pressure) are the only two things you'd need. The stock manifold already has a vacuum outlet for the MAP sensor. You could add a wideband, a MAT (air temp post turbo) and Head temp sensor and make it even more bullet proof. All this would then help you to tune and protect the motor, even if you keep your carb. We're talking a total of 5 wires (and earths).

It could also give you control over water/meth spray, 2 step, oil cooler fans, etc, etc. But the best bit is the datalogging. All with much better support than the CB or MSD stuff.
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Megasquirt would do the same stuff. But just not as cheaply. Hence “easiest and cheapest”

You can absolutely datalog Megajolt and have all the same user outputs. Just no ability to go to fuel later on of course.
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