Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Maybe it was the bad vibrator. Cooking points can be about as hard to trace down as about anything you can work on as it often can be something subtle/simple. Sometimes the deposits on the contact faces of the points can give you a clue as to where the problem lies and... sometimes not. As I said, I don't have my old timey books with me but there were some good books written on the subject in the days when points and condensers were the only thing at as I remember that included magnetos (never had one myself). If you think the dist. is worth it then take it to an auto electric shop that has a Sun machine and have them inspect then spin it.
Lee
I know of one shop that has at least 2 Sun machines, but the owner hasn't like me much since I quit .
takotruckin wrote:I know of one shop that has at least 2 Sun machines, but the owner hasn't like me much since I quit .
It always seems like there is something sad getting on one's way isn't there.
Reading ignitions/components has changed a lot in the last few years; as you probably already know, there is a lot diagnosis tricks that have/are being forgotten since the invention of diagnosis machines and the switch for fully electronic electrical components. Even when they first came out and became available: the loss of problem solving knowledge was immediately seen; mechanics' suddenly couldn't diagnose w/o an electrical hookup.
Ol'fogasaurus wrote: the loss of problem solving knowledge was immediately seen; mechanics' suddenly couldn't diagnose w/o an electrical hookup.
Lee
... THOSE mechanics could never diagnose anything either way.
The machines give them something to blame when they are wrong, which is frequently.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
From what I remember they either did not learn to manually/cerebrally diagnose w/o a machine (new mechanics) or forgot how to and relied solely on the machine so part of the process was lost. Also, when they got done they were done and did not look for more... like the cause or other causes.
Once, back in the late 50's or very early 60's, a bunch of us young farts were talking about a problem when a couple of ASME (I think that is the rating that was new about the same time and still used) came over to see what we were talking about. All they could talk about or refer to was their machine in order to a diagnosis; anyway the problem was figured out w/o them (not meant sarcastically). I think it was the next day, there was a problem at the place they worked/were trained. The machine could not solve it so finally their boss called one of the other young guys who had the problem solved in just a few minutes of knowledge diagnosis. This was not an unusual thing to happen and it got worse (at least for a while) as the tune up machines became more common around town.
Nothing against machines but basic problem solving knowledge has to be had to go along with the machines. Another good reason for sites like this... old knowledge being kept alive and shared by others as well as new knowledge being shared also.
Cooking points can be about as hard to trace down as about anything you can work on as it often can be something subtle/simple. Sometimes the deposits on the contact faces of the points can give you a clue as to where the problem lies and... sometimes not. As I said, I don't have my old timey books with me but there were some good books written on the subject in the days when points and condensers were the only thing at as I remember that included magnetos (never had one myself). If you think the dist. is worth it then take it to an auto electric shop that has a Sun machine and have them inspect then spin it.
