Starter fo 2.2 Subaru in '73 Superbeetle ?????

[Piledriver]

I wouldn't even entertain the idea of an aftermarket hi-torque starter, pure junk.

We are lucky a company here in Aus makes adapter kits to fit Subaru EJ starter motors into VWs
THey are reduction drive high torque too but luckily well made Japanese Nippon-Denso quality and available everywhere cheaply.

Hopefully the VR6 ones are the same as what we got here in Aus
Pretty rare to find a VR6 here let alone an Auto but its handy to know.

TDi auto takes the same starter, although TDi and automatic seem to be concepts at odds.

[essjayarr]

Found a used TDI automatic starter on Ebay for $60. I'll report back on how it works out.
BTW Joel, I used your build quite a bit for reference when putting together my '73 SB.
With my experience with 2 previous 2.2 Subarus into Vanagons and your thread, it was a walk in the park.
I haven't posted any photos here, but here is a link to thesamba.com where I'm doin' a bit of fishing. I do really love the car so far and hope no one makes an off near what I've advertised.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... id=1464475

[essjayarr]

Found a used TDI automatic starter on Ebay for $60. I'll report back on how it works out.
BTW Joel, I used your build quite a bit for reference when putting together my '73 SB.
With my experience with 2 previous 2.2 Subarus into Vanagons and your thread, it was a walk in the park.
I haven't posted any photos here, but here is a link to thesamba.com where I'm doin' a bit of fishing. I do really love the car so far and hope no one makes an off near what I've advertised.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... id=1464475

I got my $60 TDI (2003) Automatic starter today. I have a spare T1 tranny in the garage and used it to get the fit right. It was super easy. I first used a rat tail file to offset the hole for the threaded stud to get the starter to set in bellhousing correctly. Once that was done I used a 13/32 drill from the bellhousing side (worked as a guide) and drilled through the starter next to the existing hole. Lastly, I used the file through the bellhousing to starter to even is all up for no interference. The whole thing took about 20 minutes.

[Buggin_74]

Found a used TDI automatic starter on Ebay for $60. I'll report back on how it works out.
BTW Joel, I used your build quite a bit for reference when putting together my '73 SB.
With my experience with 2 previous 2.2 Subarus into Vanagons and your thread, it was a walk in the park.
I haven't posted any photos here, but here is a link to thesamba.com where I'm doin' a bit of fishing. I do really love the car so far and hope no one makes an off near what I've advertised.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/ ... id=1464475

Glad you found the thread useful, I couldnt find anything like it when I started my conversion.

So are these TDi starters only common to certain models or all the TDIs?
We have a lot of auto TDI mk5 onwards Golf, Jetta and Passat here in Aus but not much earlier stuff.

I was expecting them to be a reduction drive starter like the Subaru and aftermarket hi-torque ones, interesting that they are direct drive like stock type1 and so compact.

[Piledriver]

The 2KW Bosch units use a planetary reduction drive, with plastic gears no less.
Permanent magnet motor, quite small for the output.

Gear reduction parts look very similar to the setup used in the SR15X units.
(Amazingly, not apparently a reliability issue, the brushes wear out eventually, but not often)

I guess the Germans finally mastered making something out of plastic

[essjayarr]

So are these TDi starters only common to certain models or all the TDIs?
We have a lot of auto TDI mk5 onwards Golf, Jetta and Passat here in Aus but not much earlier stuff.

Not positive, but from TDI, Beetle, Jetta, automatic transmission from about 1998-2006. I'll get the part number off it post it up later.
Maybe some one else will can answer this???

[Piledriver]

I believe MK4-Mk6 use this unit, certainly mk4-mk5.

Usually you can confirm equivalence by getting a part number (usually not the VW number) from an auto parts website then just look up the app for various years/models and see if it calls out the same part.

The proper one for this is 2001 VR6 w/automatic, 9 tooth gear.

[essjayarr]

I believe MK4-Mk6 use this unit, certainly mk4-mk5.

Usually you can confirm equivalence by getting a part number (usually not the VW number) from an auto parts website then just look up the app for various years/models and see if it calls out the same part.

The proper one for this is 2001 VR6 w/automatic, 9 tooth gear.

Uh-oh.......this one has 11 teeth!!!
Is it possible to swap the gear out?
This is not good.

[Piledriver]

I believe MK4-Mk6 use this unit, certainly mk4-mk5.

Usually you can confirm equivalence by getting a part number (usually not the VW number) from an auto parts website then just look up the app for various years/models and see if it calls out the same part.

The proper one for this is 2001 VR6 w/automatic, 9 tooth gear.

Uh-oh.......this one has 11 teeth!!!
Is it possible to swap the gear out?
This is not good.

You may be able to swap out the gear/shaft, but it will probably cost what another starter will.
OTOH if you get the same Veleo brand you can probably swap the modified part over fast.

Fill it with bondo, paint it silver, and exchange it for a reman one with the right # of teeth.

[essjayarr]

Education costs.....in this case $60.
Summit Racing lists the correct Bosch unit for $165 shipped with no core required. It is currently back ordered until the 17th of this month. I'll give that a shot. A re-man unit everywhere else is much more. We'll see if they will come through.
As for the $60 wrong one, I'll use it as a teaching tool. I'll take it apart and have a look inside.

[essjayarr]

I finally got around to installing a SR0407X starter. I got it from Summit racing for $165 and is a remanufactured Bosch unit requiring no core exchange. I only wish I had found it before buying the wrong, used, pinioned geared one off Ebay.
It works absolutely "FANTASTIC" and has a nice mechanical whine upon disengagement! Sounds like "quality German"!

[59Bisquik]

Hmmmm... My VW starter went out after a few seasons turning the Subaru. I looked the SR0407X up on Summits website and it shows a $60 core charge?!

Autozone has thier brand of remanufactured starters with a limited lifetime warranty for $89 plus $22 core charge. Wonder if that would be worth a try?

As for the installation, I understand that I need to enlarge the holes with a file. However, my question is... is the starter indexed into the tranny with the ring on the starter? So I put it in, index it off the starter and then open up the top starter hole to match the pattern? Or am I adjusting the hole to get the right tooth engagement?

[Piledriver]

It is self indexed just like stock, you are just adding stud clearance, as they are offset probably to keep us from doing this.
Works dandy.

I'm looking to pick up a couple more of the TDi version for 091/901 trans use.

[Prtexx]

I put the TDI starter on 2 projects last year my 73 Bettle and the 64, bus both have 2.2 motors haven't had any issues. Just longate the holes to match the stock starter and bolt it on. On one I had to grind a lttle off the case for clearance (almost nothing). My stock starter worked ok unless I made several stops and it would act like the battery was dead and then fire up. I think I paid $122 at Autozone with a warranty including the core charge.

[59Bisquik]

What year and model TDI starter? If the one you grabbed worked, I will use the same year.