CB Hideaway Kit and Oil coming out Exhaust

Ryan Brill · Post by **Ryan Brill** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:01 am

Just like the title says I have oil spitting out of the exhaust and collecting on the tail pipe (it is not huge amounts but it is annoying). The floor underneath the exhuast has a bunch of oil freckles it gets worse with higher rpm. I also noticed today that I am getting increased amounts of smoke now. I wouldn't say it is blue but I also wouldn't say it is black. I have a 3 AN line feeding the turbo with a 1/2" line draining into the sump. Additional information engine has maybe 150 miles on recent rebuild (new everything). Engine is 2007 with Dual 40 dells set up for blowthrough, turbo is Garrett T3. Do I need a restriction in the oil feed line (what do you use) or do I need a new oil seal in the turbo. I hope it isn't the muffler bearing.

Thanks

seabeebuggy · Post by **seabeebuggy** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:16 pm

this is a problem with the hideaway. some people put a scavenge pump on the drain side of the turbo to pull away the oil. as the turbo is lower than the oil level in the engine. Oil needs to flow away from the turbo not be held against it on the drain side. some people run 1 qt low in the engine too. I would go with a pump. I had a hideaway and got rid of it quick due to this and clearance issues.

MinamiKotaro · Post by **MinamiKotaro** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:56 pm

I use a VW autostick oil pump as a scavenge pump. It fits on just like a stock oil pump but has a second pump on the outside you can use to scavenge the oil from the turbo. It works like a dream.

scott the viking · Post by **scott the viking** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:13 pm

MinamiKotaro wrote:I use a VW autostick oil pump as a sump. It fits on just like a stock oil pump but has a second pump on the outside you can use to scavenge the oil from the turbo. It works like a dream.

Good idea.
Snap a shot of it when you get a chance and post it.

Ron Perkins · Post by **Ron Perkins** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:58 am

Ryan, you're a bigger baby than Seth. Quit your whining. If you really check the exhaust, most of that stuff spewing out is condensation and exhaust soot. It does it everytime the motor is started, especially this time of year in Michigan. In the summer, when the temp is above 60 deg. consistently(as opposed to 40s and humid like now) it will be much less. Although it will still happen with the humidity we see. I'm sure it's not a drain issue. The car never smoked or spewed anything on launch which is where you would think it would be a problem. I usually did run it about a half quart low. THe motor i have now, draw thru with huge return line to fuel pump mount area does the same thing upon start up. In fact, you should see what the rear apron looks like, it's a mess. Condensation is a huge issue this time of year, especially, when you just start it up in the garage!!! so shut up and drive it. You still going to the pizza bash Sat.?

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:29 am

Ron Perkins wrote:If you really check the exhaust, most of that stuff spewing out is condensation and exhaust soot. pizza bash Sat.?

That is probably true. Most turbo VW's spew a bunch of watery crap until they are warm.

If its an oil problem, it will smoke constanty.

red74super · Post by **red74super** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:41 am

yea mine does that also.

its really random, but does seem to happen more on humid cool days.
I have a few spots where i can see where its happened in my driveway, i also run a pump for the oil drain so i know its not the issue.
it only happens once a day also when i start it after sitting overnight.

just a vw.

Ron Perkins · Post by **Ron Perkins** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:42 am

right on marty.....
I'm just waiting for the big pile of snow to melt in front of the pole building door...and a good rain to rid the streets of salt. It won't be long now. I added a straight thru 3 in. ID muffler to it this year. Getting old, noises get to me. I WILL run a 10 this year.

Ryan Brill · Post by **Ryan Brill** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:17 pm

Thanks guys. I called CB and they said that I should put a 200 Dellorto Main Jet in for a restriction (Marieann didn't talk to Pat). Are you guys running restrictions out there? Ron, I put the liquid in question on my finger and it surely is oil not carbon condensation. It was very slippery and sure felt like oil. Anyway I am also running the oil down at the bottom line on the dipstick so I already am a quart low. I am planning on going to Pizza but I will not be drinking just got over Sleep Apnea Surgery. For those of you contimplating this procedure I woud think twice. All I can say is I lost 10 lbs in two weeks because I couldn't eat.

Ryan Brill · Post by **Ryan Brill** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:18 pm

Oops I accidently tripple posted!

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:25 pm

Thats odd - all of the current Garrett cartridges have a built in restriction.

Ryan Brill · Post by **Ryan Brill** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:30 am

Hmmm, that is wierd. Ron I need to talk to you about this turbo. I can't find any information on it. What exactly was it again. Thanks, everyone this is good information.

Ron Perkins · Post by **Ron Perkins** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:34 am

Brillo,

Not sure exactly the specs on the turbo. I bought the kit from a guy who said CB set it up for his motor. Everything was new, not rebuilt. The only specs I could get out of him were .48 ex and a .60 compressor. CB had to weld an adaptor plate on the header mounting flange as it has that strange 4 bolt pattern where one bolt is out further.

I'm sure that isn't oil..it may feel slippery and oily but I doubt if it is. The way I look at it, if things clear up when you run it...and especially on boost...no big deal even if it is a little oily on start up...at least you know the turbo is getting lubed

The reason I came down on you in my first post is I know you. First you start to worry, then you whine, then you spend. As long as it isn't a precursor to destruction...drive it. I need a west michigan turbo'd VW buddy to hang with. See you tomorrow.

Eddie Brown · Post by **Eddie Brown** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 8:07 pm

Ron Perkins wrote:Brillo,

Not sure exactly the specs on the turbo. I bought the kit from a guy who said CB set it up for his motor. Everything was new, not rebuilt. The only specs I could get out of him were .48 ex and a .60 compressor. CB had to weld an adaptor plate on the header mounting flange as it has that strange 4 bolt pattern where one bolt is out further.

I'm sure that isn't oil..it may feel slippery and oily but I doubt if it is. The way I look at it, if things clear up when you run it...and especially on boost...no big deal even if it is a little oily on start up...at least you know the turbo is getting lubed

The reason I came down on you in my first post is I know you. First you start to worry, then you whine, then you spend. As long as it isn't a precursor to destruction...drive it. I need a west michigan turbo'd VW buddy to hang with. See you tomorrow.

Hey Ron. Are you going to the Buggy Builders Show in Michigan?. I know fuey22 will be there with a turbo motor.

Ron Perkins · Post by **Ron Perkins** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:51 am

Eduardo,
sorry I didn't respond right away, forgot my stupid password. I didn't go to the swap sunday, but did go to the pizza bash the night before. It was cool. Some preseason bench racing and good camaraderie. I'll be in anaheim 4-9 through 4-13...but it's quite a hike for you. later.