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500LbGorilla · Post by **500LbGorilla** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:45 pm

David58bug wrote:
Leatherneck wrote:I guess what it comes down to is this and maybe MHarney and Glenn might see and understand this and might not, but will give it a try anyway. How would you guys like it if most of the calls you guys got at your business was to ask the phone number or address of the other guy in town who does what you do? That is how I am seeing what is happening.
Daam that's how I see it too. You got MHarney and Glenn's numbers. I might need to check and see if they got whats his names number so I can buy my parts. Attention Attention clean up on isle 9.

So Leatherneck has alluded to this being like a business, thought it appears to be the last thing Scott wants it to be, and David has resorted to personal attacks? Weak. Stick to the debate.

bugninva · Post by **bugninva** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:51 pm

BROKEBAJA wrote:
bugninva wrote:
David58bug wrote:[ Just don't trip on your shoe laces. When you are clicking those samba links.
if you really want to be technical you are guilty of bad forumn etiquette. you posted a thread to an individual person, when it should have been an im, an email, or a post to one of the persons many ongoing threads...you should be happy that your unsolicited post wasn't whined about....
Accuse him of bad etiquette and you can’t spell forumn. It is spelled FORUM.

good one there Brokebaja...guess you've never made a typo? i do.... a lot...hell i don't even capitalize nor use punctuation properly....what that has to do with forum etiquette, i'm not sure.... the "spelling nazi" is always the short rooted fellow that needs some feeling of superiority. (for the record your sentence is incomplete due to the lack of a subject....but i'm not picky.... you can't mess that up with pressing two keys at once...now my typo on the other hand.....don't cast them stones)

Post by **david58** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:56 pm

500LbGorilla wrote:
David58bug wrote:
Leatherneck wrote:I guess what it comes down to is this and maybe MHarney and Glenn might see and understand this and might not, but will give it a try anyway. How would you guys like it if most of the calls you guys got at your business was to ask the phone number or address of the other guy in town who does what you do? That is how I am seeing what is happening.
Daam that's how I see it too. You got MHarney and Glenn's numbers. I might need to check and see if they got whats his names number so I can buy my parts. Attention Attention clean up on isle 9.
So Leatherneck has alluded to this being a business, thought it appears to be the last thing Scott wants it to be, and David has resorted to personal attacks? Weak. Stick to the debate.

I don't see that as a personal attack only as an example, and nothing on here is personal. I like the STF and want to see it grow and feel we need to pull together as a team to buy and sell our parts. Yes, I buy off The Samba and it is a great site. With a little help here and there the STF could be a place to buy parts more than it is. I just think we need to kick this around and see what we need to do. If the STF doesn't grow it will wither away. I am not here to help in that way. Progress means making waves. Sometimes the waves have to be big to have a positive result.

500LbGorilla · Post by **500LbGorilla** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:14 pm

Ads are small waves. Yeah, I agree, we're all on the same team, but this place isn't much of a democracy, very few forums are. It's already withering away. I *remember* what it was like just a few years ago. It was HUMMING.. now it's just a few posts here in there mostly in Off Road and Type 4, not to mention the rampant posting of total bullfeces porn and drug ads, with little indication that it's going to stop. It's niched. Mostly holdouts AFAIAC, as the SambaMart keeps soaking them up. I dare not say why at the expense of another PM about my attitude or something.

It's a fine place to reference ads, but it's hardly a place to sell parts. I've already said that, in so many words, but that's how I see it.

I'd like to see this place get better, believe me, but I don't think our votes count as much as you feel they do. What this place needs to do is offer something you can't get in other forums. That's a lot of what made Samba grow into such a big place.

Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:19 pm

500LbGorilla wrote:
David58bug wrote:
Leatherneck wrote:I guess what it comes down to is this and maybe MHarney and Glenn might see and understand this and might not, but will give it a try anyway. How would you guys like it if most of the calls you guys got at your business was to ask the phone number or address of the other guy in town who does what you do? That is how I am seeing what is happening.
Daam that's how I see it too. You got MHarney and Glenn's numbers. I might need to check and see if they got whats his names number so I can buy my parts. Attention Attention clean up on isle 9.
So Leatherneck has alluded to this being like a business, thought it appears to be the last thing Scott wants it to be, and David has resorted to personal attacks? Weak. Stick to the debate.

Not alluding to this being a business just trying to give you an example you might understand. To me it just slights this site by posting links vice actual info to me that matters. I didn't think asking for a little effort would be so difficult to ask for.

500LbGorilla · Post by **500LbGorilla** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:29 pm

I'm not sure why you find it so difficult. You guys are polling, and I gave you my opinion on why it doesn't really matter.

Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:31 pm

500LbGorilla wrote:Ads are small waves. Yeah, I agree, we're all on the same team, but this place isn't much of a democracy, very few forums are. It's already withering away. I *remember* what it was like just a few years ago. It was HUMMING.. now it's just a few posts here in there mostly in Off Road and Type 4, not to mention the rampant posting of total bullfeces porn and drug ads, with little indication that it's going to stop. It's niched. Mostly holdouts AFAIAC, as the SambaMart keeps soaking them up. I dare not say why at the expense of another PM about my attitude or something.

It's a fine place to reference ads, but it's hardly a place to sell parts. I've already said that, in so many words, but that's how I see it.

I'd like to see this place get better, believe me, but I don't think our votes count as much as you feel they do. What this place needs to do is offer something you can't get in other forums. That's a lot of what made Samba grow into such a big place.

What will make this place grow in my opinion is guys who care enough about it to actually do something other about it. Take pride in there efforts, There are some great Forums in here Come on the Electrical forum just started, Marc in Type 1 Forum, go in there and come out with an unanswered question not going to happen. Scott the Viking in the Forced Induction Forum, he along with the guys in there are helping to put information that was vague at best to anybody but a Tech, I don't go to all the threads but there has been some changes.The STF is growing people are taking pride in it, for sure if I didn't I would not be wasting my time posting here.

One thing is for sure you have a problem here somebody is going to try and help you out. Not delete your post of tell you that is your problem.

Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:34 pm

500LbGorilla wrote:I'm not sure why you find it so difficult. You guys are polling, and I gave you my opinion on why it doesn't really matter.

But I see that as the problem it does matter, that is the problem to many people think it doesn't. Just like crappy parts and craftsmanship, they do work. But I would not be proud of it.

Post by **david58** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:47 pm

Leatherneck wrote:
500LbGorilla wrote:I'm not sure why you find it so difficult. You guys are polling, and I gave you my opinion on why it doesn't really matter.

That is exactly why THE OFF ROAD FORUM on STF has T-Shirts and the SAMBA doesn't. I guess you didn't know that for a fact.

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:52 pm

Excuse me if I repeat anything already stated, but I didn't read everything here.

First off don't make it a Samba vs STF thing... it's not.

As to having my number... i'm no newbie. I was here on the STF before most of you.

Second I have long running ads on the Samba and I use it's "manage ad" screen which easily allows me to modify, update, deactivate and activate ads. The format is totally different. Here on the STF the "for sale" is just a forum. You have to scroll and find your ad and then post a "bump" to get it to the top. On the Samba I just have to "renew" every 14 days and it pops up. The formats are totally different and honestly the Samba is superior. In fact I remember when I introduced John Plow (founder of Cal-Look.com) to Everett and Jen Barnes at the Litchfield 2005 show John pointed out to Ev that he's had better luck selling parts on the Samba than in the classified of his own site.

The Samba is NOT the STF and the STF is not the Samba. Each have their own community and there is no competition between them. If you think there is then it's all in your head.

Hey... do what you want, i'll still do all my ads on The Samba and cross post them here.

BTW... making this a Samba vs STF issue is doing a disservice to the VW community.

500LbGorilla · Post by **500LbGorilla** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:56 pm

I'm not an offroad guy.. I couldn't care less about offroad or offroad T Shirts.

But I'm glad that you guys are so motivated. I'll keep placing ads the way I do, and when the reigns pull tight enough to eliminate references to other sites, you guys can have it all. Not allowing folks the freedom to do things the way they want is exactly what will run people off. I've said all I have to say on it. Anything else is inflammatory and repetitive, and will win me a barrage of PMs referring to my acerbic tongue.

Post by **Leatherneck** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:08 pm

Glenn I agree it is not a Samba vs STF thing and that is not the point I have so unsuccessfully been trying to get across. Thanks for trying anyway guys!

Glenn · Post by **Glenn** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:19 pm

Leatherneck wrote:Glenn I agree it is not a Samba vs STF thing and that is not the point I have so unsuccessfully been trying to get across. Thanks for trying anyway guys!

Since YOU say it's not, then it's not for you, which is good. I understand...

scott the viking · Post by **scott the viking** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:06 pm

Wow...
Good chance I am way off on this assessment, but what might be happening is just a flat misunderstanding. Sometimes it can be difficult to get what a person is saying when there is not a voice tone behind it. In other words...what may sound snide and condescending may not be (then again...it might).
What I think leatherneck is trying to say is (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that we would sure like STF to have the volume in the classifieds that the Samba has...and the only way to have that is to get more people to post and if you post at the Samba and not here...then it will never be as good.
What I think Harney is saying is......Make it as user friendly as the Samba and it will get more posts. Right?

So maybe we could work together in trying to make STF more user friendly...and then it will start to gather more posts. I have absolutely NO idea what it takes to pull something like that off...So I am totally talking out of school on that...Obviously it is not something that's impossible. Maybe we could get together and see if we could make it happen. Just a thought.