Budget 100x71 Build
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Finally ordered the new vents. I was going to machine my own, but I'd only be shaping them based on a hunch. Maybe I'll still do them and compare.
Made some chamber volume plates. I knocked out a few for the future. My 66x105 will need one, and I made one for the 36hp platform.
Sent these bad boys out to a 914 owner in Florida: Chromoly shafts, high strength 8mm studs, machined and resurfaced rockers, tool steel adjusters, spring steel shim varieties, pinned solid spacers, and narrowed mounting blocks.
A friend sent me these oversized shafts (left) as a gift for worn rockers. You can hone them and still be within radial spec. Centerless-ground, smaller mounting holes. The right ones are standard chromoly shafts.
Made some chamber volume plates. I knocked out a few for the future. My 66x105 will need one, and I made one for the 36hp platform.
Sent these bad boys out to a 914 owner in Florida: Chromoly shafts, high strength 8mm studs, machined and resurfaced rockers, tool steel adjusters, spring steel shim varieties, pinned solid spacers, and narrowed mounting blocks.
A friend sent me these oversized shafts (left) as a gift for worn rockers. You can hone them and still be within radial spec. Centerless-ground, smaller mounting holes. The right ones are standard chromoly shafts.
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Nice stuff.
Can I ask you a question, do you lock the spacer ring on the rockers?
Looks like you have bolts to hold them in place. Any reason for that?
Keep the pictures going, love your build.
This was a life saver for me, did not think of checking this.
Building a type 4 for the first time with Type 1 lifters.
Can I ask you a question, do you lock the spacer ring on the rockers?
Looks like you have bolts to hold them in place. Any reason for that?
Keep the pictures going, love your build.
This was a life saver for me, did not think of checking this.
Building a type 4 for the first time with Type 1 lifters.
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Yes, they get locked. When the left rocker opens the valve, it's forced over onto the left rocker. The primary thrusts on these are on the right, whereas only the right rocker sees thrust load on both ends because of the left one is always pushing on it. This might be the reason for the stock center spring.
Anyway, pinning the center spacer separates the loading. I resurface the ends before shipping, and with the shims in place, I doubt they'll ever need resurfacing again.
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I found someone to print me a balancing jig. 22 and 24 small ends, and Honda, Chevy, VW, and 2.0 big ends. Now just to figure how to get consistent readings...
Valve locks finally showed in two different heights to dial-in install height. I wanted titanium locks, but for this budgeted build, I thought I'd take it easy. These were half the price. Using titanium retainers though.
Valve locks finally showed in two different heights to dial-in install height. I wanted titanium locks, but for this budgeted build, I thought I'd take it easy. These were half the price. Using titanium retainers though.
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Finally started. I was looking over my work after, and I think I want to do a little more to the fins.
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Heads are all welded and surfaced. I opted for Moldstar 90 seats. There's a guy on Ebay that'll cut whatever you want for a decent price. I requested that the seats be on the small side in the I.D. so I can finish them by hand. So I have dummy guides. Those get loosely pressed in, seats installed, then the guides get pushed back out for porting. When I'm all done, I'll install guides with the correct interference, ream, and perform the valve job. Unlike steel, these Moldstars only get about .006" interference fit.
Stock 40mm vents out, 44s in
Barrels got trimmed .180" to get .040" deck, and .050" positive deck at the dome center.
The Q cam is coming out (left), and the P is going in. I machined the cam again to clear the #2 exhaust lifter, and polished the thrusts a bit.
Stock 40mm vents out, 44s in
Barrels got trimmed .180" to get .040" deck, and .050" positive deck at the dome center.
The Q cam is coming out (left), and the P is going in. I machined the cam again to clear the #2 exhaust lifter, and polished the thrusts a bit.
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I found a local speed shop that does Moldstar 90 seats for a decent price - $22.50 each. The benefits outweigh the cost. The seats expand more uniformly with the head, so you run less interference fit, which might prevent the typical cracking that we see. Also,it should quiet down valvetrain noise.It was literally a last-minute decision to use them. He called to say he finished them last night. They should be in the head by next week.
.180" trimmed off the bases and I still have .050" deck! I don't know where I messed up, but I need to trim another .005-.008" to get where I want to be.
Heads awaiting seats and porting:
.180" trimmed off the bases and I still have .050" deck! I don't know where I messed up, but I need to trim another .005-.008" to get where I want to be.
Heads awaiting seats and porting:
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Oh man i love this build...
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I always heard normal steel seats fit at .006 interference.
What number would you usually fit?
Something else, about the pinned rocker shaft spacers..
Unlike a type 1, where the pushrods come at the rockers at an angle,
The type 4 has the advantage of the pushrods being square
(All of this being when looked at from below - hard to describe).
Did you see thrust loading issues like type 1s have?
I’d be scared one of those set screws would work it’s way loose...
Super cool oversized shafts..!
Hone the ID of the rockers for a perfect fit..
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I always heard normal steel seats fit at .006 interference.
What number would you usually fit?
Something else, about the pinned rocker shaft spacers..
Unlike a type 1, where the pushrods come at the rockers at an angle,
The type 4 has the advantage of the pushrods being square
(All of this being when looked at from below - hard to describe).
Did you see thrust loading issues like type 1s have?
I’d be scared one of those set screws would work it’s way loose...
Super cool oversized shafts..!
Hone the ID of the rockers for a perfect fit..
Speedier than a Fasting Bullet!
Beginners' how-to Type 4 build thread ---> http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145853
Beginners' how-to Type 4 build thread ---> http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145853
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Steel exhaust seats on Type 4s have different interference fit numbers depending which guy you ask. They're usually over double the amount that a Type 1 has, and the best guys are heating the heads and shrinking the seats with liquid nitrogen.Clatter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:01 pm Oh man i love this build...
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I always heard normal steel seats fit at .006 interference.
What number would you usually fit?
Something else, about the pinned rocker shaft spacers..
Unlike a type 1, where the pushrods come at the rockers at an angle,
The type 4 has the advantage of the pushrods being square
(All of this being when looked at from below - hard to describe).
Did you see thrust loading issues like type 1s have?
I’d be scared one of those set screws would work it’s way loose...
Super cool oversized shafts..!
Hone the ID of the rockers for a perfect fit..
The set screws get loctite. Berg's rockers come this way. Yes, Type 4 thrusts still take a beating.
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How are you doing?
Do you got any updates on the build to share?
Do you got any updates on the build to share?
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Yeah, me too!
Seeing pics of those welded-up chambers,
It makes my die-grinder hand start to twitching..!
Thread title - Budget Build.. Throws me off every time!
Should be "Badass 100x71 Build"!
Seeing pics of those welded-up chambers,
It makes my die-grinder hand start to twitching..!
Thread title - Budget Build.. Throws me off every time!
Should be "Badass 100x71 Build"!
Speedier than a Fasting Bullet!
Beginners' how-to Type 4 build thread ---> http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145853
Beginners' how-to Type 4 build thread ---> http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=145853
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Hey guys. I'll get back on it. I got my car back from paint, so I can't really work on engines till I get it finished. I also ordered a huge base circle cam from Jurgen Novak, but he can't get a blank billet till maybe August/September. So I need to wait anyway.
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Still waiting on a cam from Germany
Been modifying this secondhand, but unused CB dry sump pump. I retail Pieper's parts and had one of his pumps recently. I really wanted to go that route, but I need to stay with the low (er) budgeted theme.
Here are pics of the work: passage porting, blueprinting, shortening key and body. In the end, I achieved ~ .040" cam bolt clearance. I'm not returning oil into the stock location, but rather going around the bypass/filter, cooler junction and directly into the main tunnel via the boss under #3/4 cylinders. Why? Direct oiling. Little pressure drop. There's an old adage stating that oil flow is more important than oil pressure. This is just that.
The first two pics are the old hand-tapped threads by the previous owner.
Been modifying this secondhand, but unused CB dry sump pump. I retail Pieper's parts and had one of his pumps recently. I really wanted to go that route, but I need to stay with the low (er) budgeted theme.
Here are pics of the work: passage porting, blueprinting, shortening key and body. In the end, I achieved ~ .040" cam bolt clearance. I'm not returning oil into the stock location, but rather going around the bypass/filter, cooler junction and directly into the main tunnel via the boss under #3/4 cylinders. Why? Direct oiling. Little pressure drop. There's an old adage stating that oil flow is more important than oil pressure. This is just that.
The first two pics are the old hand-tapped threads by the previous owner.
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