Low Cylender Pressure
- Big Ratfink
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Low Cylender Pressure
Ok guys, I screwed something up and looking for ideas before I rip it back out and tear it down.
A couple years ago I put together a mostly stock 1600 with dual port heads. The Chinese stock replacement heads had the step machined off. The cam is a 2228 Eagle Racing Camshafts - Gas Saver Special Grind Cam, New pistons and cylinder set from AA Performance. Full flow oil filtering.
In the process of figuring out why it wouldn't start, I proved The carb was getting fresh gas, and the spark plugs were sparking at about the right time. With the crank at TDC # 1 cylinder has .006 clearance on both valves.
My cylinder pressure gauge needle doesn't wiggle when the engine is cranked. What could I have possibly done? When I was a kid we put a Briggs and Straton together with NO rings, we made that run!
This is what happens on a hurry up job - must have overlooked something.
A couple years ago I put together a mostly stock 1600 with dual port heads. The Chinese stock replacement heads had the step machined off. The cam is a 2228 Eagle Racing Camshafts - Gas Saver Special Grind Cam, New pistons and cylinder set from AA Performance. Full flow oil filtering.
In the process of figuring out why it wouldn't start, I proved The carb was getting fresh gas, and the spark plugs were sparking at about the right time. With the crank at TDC # 1 cylinder has .006 clearance on both valves.
My cylinder pressure gauge needle doesn't wiggle when the engine is cranked. What could I have possibly done? When I was a kid we put a Briggs and Straton together with NO rings, we made that run!
This is what happens on a hurry up job - must have overlooked something.
- Big Ratfink
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
forgot to mention- This is the initial start up. Built it a couple years ago but never finished the job.
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
Are you sure that the crank and cam are properly aligned and not, say, 180° out?
Lee
Lee
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
Try your compression tool in a running well engine (verify first it is also 14mm straight thread) as you noticed even a less than perfect ring seal will run'ish
The econ leak down tool of a rubber tipped air gun can narrow down piston seal or valve seal
The econ leak down tool of a rubber tipped air gun can narrow down piston seal or valve seal
Yeah some may call it overkill, but you can't have too much overkill.
- Big Ratfink
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
Is it possible they can be 180 out if there are timing match-marks? I do know at top dead centre that both valves are seated, and the rotor is pointing to that cylinder.
When I pull the motor I'll try pressurizing the cylinder to see where the leak is.
If I forgot to put the rings on... Quite possible. I may have done a quick mock up while i was messing around setting up the solid rocker shaft geometry, and then with the distractions of life forgot what the heck I was doing. Lots of crap has happened in the last few years.
When I pull the motor I'll try pressurizing the cylinder to see where the leak is.
If I forgot to put the rings on... Quite possible. I may have done a quick mock up while i was messing around setting up the solid rocker shaft geometry, and then with the distractions of life forgot what the heck I was doing. Lots of crap has happened in the last few years.
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
4 stroke engines revolve 2 times between firing. If your cam or dist.(?) is installed wrong you could very possibly have no cylinder pressure.
https://dannysengineportal.com/top-dead ... ts-stroke/
Lee
https://dannysengineportal.com/top-dead ... ts-stroke/
Lee
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
I totally understand the getting distracted and making the mistake thing.
If there is a question then maybe the best and safest thing is to pull it apart to make sure everything was done right. It can save a lot of frustration and maybe some $$$.
Lee
If there is a question then maybe the best and safest thing is to pull it apart to make sure everything was done right. It can save a lot of frustration and maybe some $$$.
Lee
- Tom in PA
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
Any update on the low compression issue? Is the gauge working ok? Did you narrow it down yet? Inquiring (quarantined) minds want to know:-)
Tom
Tom
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
I'm sorry I haven't been around in a while, but as soon as my new Ice cold garage starts warming up I will tear into the engine. Little did I know when i was posting that I would be selling and moving in less than 2 months! Right now I'm putting my kids stock 1600 back together after an engine fire. He was having intermittent shorting of the charging circuit. We found the problem- the generator or voltage regulator shorted and smoked everything up to the battery. Actually, I had the charger on it and was inside having a cold one after work and a friend (volunteer firefighter} pounded on the door and yelled the car was on fire! Then proceeded to put it out. Dang. If I only parked closer to the garage and he was a few minutes later...
- Big Ratfink
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
You know, I had a bus that had an electrical fire that I will attribute to rain and a leak, I had a rabbit that leaked over the fuse box and gave me fits, I had a sirocco that had intermittent shorts in the ignition circuit....The previous owner was an electrician and couldn't figure them out,
I'm an industrial electrician / technician. I fix stuff for a living. Is it just me, or is this normal?
I'm an industrial electrician / technician. I fix stuff for a living. Is it just me, or is this normal?
- Big Ratfink
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
I'm going to stick my neck out there and bet my low/no cylinder pressure was caused by my distributor drive gear being 180 degrees out. I'll find out in about 3 months.
- Big Ratfink
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
I really need to review before I post. Engine had rings in it, when I tore it down I saw nothing unusual, I'll figure it out when it warms up. distributor drive wont affect compression, only when the spark happens.
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Re: Low Cylender Pressure
Had a motor in my sons bus, about 15k miles one hole started oiling plug, no compression..
looked great when torn down.
the rings gap had self aligned on that hole.
looked great when torn down.
the rings gap had self aligned on that hole.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.