type 4 to type 1 engine

Zen · Post by **Zen** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:22 pm

Just to update you on my type 1 powered 73, I finished installing the engine (a bone stock 1600 single port with an old style oil cooler) last Friday evening. Saturday morning around 4:30 AM we left LaFayette, GA and took a 1219 mile round trip to Florida Bug Jam. At least 1100 of these miles were on I-75 and most of those interstate miles were at well over 70 MPH. I even saw 80 a few times (on the downhills of course). This thing is not a rocket by any means, but it held it's own and never had a problem with oil pressure or overheating. In fact at our last gas stop on the way back, I could hold the oil end of the dipstick! This was after three hours soild of interstate driving where our caravan was averaging 72.5 MPH.

I'm not saying that everyone should go out and yank their 1700/1800/2000 engine and drop in a 1600 single port! But, if you have a low budget project bus (I've got less than $500 tied up in mine, including the engine) without an engine and you have a 1600 lying around, go ahead and try it. I'll be looking around for a good type 4 engine, but in the mean time, the bus is on the road and doing fine!

Pillow · Post by **Pillow** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 10:59 am

Zen, I guess Easterwood was in front then

averaging 72.5 MPH with splitties in there!!! Geees.

Hopefully I will make it next year!

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LeeE · Post by **LeeE** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:27 pm

Another reference to a Type 1 engine "lying around"! Are there so many that y'all have to kick them out of the way when you walk into your garages? How come no one seems to have spare type 4's just "lying around"?
Just kidding, I know the answer, 20 million type 1's vs. however many type 4's.
I'm still looking for a type 4 for my '73 bus, but until serendipity strikes, I'll just drive it with this "little engine that could", at least until it can't anymore.

Zen · Post by **Zen** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 12:34 pm

I missed the big caravan going down Friday morning. My bus wasn't running until late Friday evening, so I went down alone Saturday morning/afternoon. I came back Monday afternoon/evening with some stragglers from our Chattanooga club (we stayed and went to the big flea market at Webster Monday morning). My bus was the only air-cooled vehicle in that caravan!

Next year I hope to be a little better prepared and make the big Friday caravan. I hear it was a great trip!

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Pillow · Post by **Pillow** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:04 am

Oh no not another Volks Folk!!!

You people are taking over the place!

I run a white and yellow split westi and am the tall dude usually with a baby strapped on my back... Might have met you at Hanging Dog, Sevierville, or Helen???

Say "hi" to Herb for us.

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'66 VW Westfalia - "Biscuit"
'79 Porsche 911 SC - "Cochise"

Bob Ingman · Post by **Bob Ingman** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 10:20 pm

Say "hi" to Bud Green too. Good Luck. Bob

dubwcoast · Post by **dubwcoast** » Fri Jun 28, 2002 9:01 pm

why do you need an engine mount for a type 1 motor in a 72 and later bus??? wouldnt it mount in like a bug. since it is light, why is there a need for a mount?

fast54vw · Post by **fast54vw** » Fri Jun 28, 2002 11:24 pm

the busses currently being made in mexico use the upright engine. you can get all of teh tin and hanger bar moubts there or i know of a shop that just converted one bact to type 4 and have all of the parts. euro pro 949/642-3872

Post by **Marc** » Mon Jul 01, 2002 9:17 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dubwcoast:
why do you need an engine mount for a type 1 motor in a 72 and later bus??? wouldnt it mount in like a bug. since it is light, why is there a need for a mount?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spoken like someone who's never done it.
It will work without the rear mount, but dances all over the place - the rear transmission mount points aren't designed to handle that much weight, and are too close together to effectively counter the torque. If it would work, don't you think the factory might've gone this route from `68-`71?
BTW, I much prefer the 88x69mm Type I-based 1679 in my `73 bus to the 90x66mm 1679cc Type IV that it came with. Power is comparable and maintenance is much less expensive. Longevity will no doubt be less but it's been in there for 10 years (all without any oil leaks - how many Type IVs can you claim that for?) and is still running strong.
Note for those doing this swap - you should be running a trans input shaft from an earlier trans, the longer nose of the `72-up mainshaft may bottom out in the crankshaft.

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MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:44 am

Of all the conversions I have heard of, this one is purely dumb, I hate to be so direct, but I just cannot refrain..

VW swapped to a TIV engine in the busses for one reason, longevity-power. 90% of TI powered busses from 1968-71 barely would make 50 off the showroom floor before they were well done, baked, or destroyed, or totally sloppily worn out.

In my opinion this is just like dropping a 3 cylinder Geo Metro engine into a Peterbilt!! Most people do this because they are afraid of a TIV, or don't want to spend the money it takes to buy the correct, REAL engine for their van.....open the wallet, and the repair manual and fix what is supoposed to be in the vehicle, or sell it to someone that will.......sorry to rant, but I just hate to see people taking 5 steps backward to save a buck...

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Post by **Marc** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 12:12 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeeE:

Type 1 motors in a bus may work well, but they only push it to about 70 mph and only last about 50K miles.B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...in your experience with singleports.
A healthy dualport is a whole `nuther story.

LeeE · Post by **LeeE** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 11:55 pm

I have to agree wholeheartedly. I've had all three, a '69 with a single port Type 1, a '72 with a 1.7 Type IV, and my present '73 with a single port Type 1 stuck into it (not by me).
Type 1 motors in a bus may work well, but they only push it to about 70 mph and only last about 50K miles.
Type IV motors will push to as fast as you dare to go, and seem to last (at least mine did) almost forever. They also give a tremendous increase in power, driveability, and gas mileage.
My original point of all this was just that it can be done. If you have a bus, a dead Type IV, and a spare Type 1, then it can be used until the Type IV lives again. I've driven the '73 for a few thousand miles (with no tin or rear mount, maybe stupid but I wanted to see what would happen), and it works well enough, but I finally have a correct Type IV to put into it as soon as I can find a complete exhaust and tin, and money, and ambition.

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 9:51 pm

Yes, there is a big difference the dual port heads crack as fast as they are installed, the single ports don't...

I would never install a dual port engine into a bay window bus, in my opinion 1971 was the worst year for the bus, dual ports and all. VW only used dual ports for one year, they were very smart.....Single ports rule and last in a bus or any daily driver, come drive my 205,000 mile + TI 1600 single port built in 1988 and not touched since and you'll see.

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