VE Live on an Ipad mini?

[STOICH]

I just had an epiphany and have not yet put much thought in to this, but: Can tunerstudio and VE LIVE be run on an Ipad mini? I suppose an adapter cable would be needed at the very least. Any body have any experience with this? Thanks for your help!

I also have an Android phone that I could use if that can be made to work. I am running this in an off-road car and I don't think my laptop will take to much vibration.

[andy198712]

i run TS on my mac book fine, if thats any help... do the pads run the same iOS?

[STOICH]

i run TS on my mac book fine, if thats any help... do the pads run the same iOS?

Thanks for the help. I do not know what iOS they run as of yet. The thought came to me at work, and the car & Ipad are at home- A main concern or question I suppose, being that the mini does not use to typical IPAD 20 pin connector, is there an adapter to go from USB to the mini plug that the Ipad mini uses? I use the vehicle off road and I figure the Ipad or a phone would hold up better to the vibration, otherwise I would continue using the laptop

[trbugman]

The Mac Book runs OSX and can run Tuner Studio, the iPad on the other hand runs iOS and cannot run Tuner Studio. VEAL is only available in Tuner Studio so no mobile platform is able to able to use this feature without lots of modification. There is a mobile app for iOS that let you talk to MS, but I have no experience with it, you should get logging ability from it at least.

If I remember correctly iOS also doesn't have support for the serial protocol. You would need a serial to WiFi adapter to plug into the MS to talk to iOS device.

[Piledriver]

Most recent, decent Android tablets can run Linux userland in the background, including java, and TS.
IOS has no JAVA support last I checked, as well as no serial comms support via BT or anything else unless someone has paid Apple for the "privelege" of doing so lately.

There are quad core Atom 2GB memory/32GB ssd Win8.1 (AKA real x86 Windows not RT) touchscreen tablets going for $139 and $200 at microcenter, even has BT and a full size USB3 port.
The 8" is $139 the 10.1" is $199. Specs same otherwise. I bought 10.1" one for my wife, its quite decent.
They run circles around the shiny fruit flavored wares, and the 10" has a $40 optional keyboard/cover that is quite decent, as is the IPS screen.

These can run Linux OK, but the touchscreen is ~undocumented/isn't supported in mainline yet, and the wifi/BT combo chip requires some shennanigans. Not really terribly usable w/o touchscreen and wifi as a tablet, ~OK laptop w/keyboard attached (and wifi stick on a USB hub)

There is an 8" at $99 with only 1GB mem/16G storage I cannot recommend.

[STOICH]

rats... My hope was to be able to have it double as a Nav system/plot charter as I have seen a few others do now- unfortunately for me I blew it thinking it was the mini they were using for the nav and it was not- It was the Ipad as it has the larger connector. Sounds like it wouldn't have mattered any how as far as TS goes. Well... maybe one of the kids wants a new mini

[Piledriver]

rats... My hope was to be able to have it double as a Nav system/plot charter as I have seen a few others do now- unfortunately for me I blew it thinking it was the mini they were using for the nav and it was not- It was the Ipad as it has the larger connector. Sounds like it wouldn't have mattered any how as far as TS goes. Well... maybe one of the kids wants a new mini

You can do that all under Linux or Windows, and for a fraction of the cost of ~any IOS device, and with Mo Powa, memory/storage space... all kinda important if you intend it to be a carputer of some sorts perhaps also being your audio system playing music off a SSD or cheap HDD.

I'm sure you could sell the mini and buy something up to the task.
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There IS some logging software that works over wifi on IOS, no idea what if any tuning capabilities are, it tunnels serial over wifi, the interface is IIRC ~double the cost of most class1 serial to BT adapters (but about the same as some, 10X the cost of the cheapest proven to work...), bad sign is they don't even seem to sell them on ebay.

http://mobisquirt.org/user-manual/conne ... egasquirt/

[STOICH]

OK then, the mini is out. FINE! I have heard some chat about people using cell phones. what about an Android, Samsung Galaxy S3- Can it be done, whats it take? I am running a MS2, so still serial port.

[Piledriver]

The broadwell quad core tablets have plenty of power and memory, cheapest ones run win 8.1 but there are Android versions out there
Micro enter has them in 7,8, and10 inch flavored with full size sub ports

[STOICH]

The broadwell quad core tablets have plenty of power and memory, cheapest ones run win 8.1 but there are Android versions out there
Micro enter has them in 7,8, and10 inch flavored with full size sub ports

I was leaning towards the Galaxy as I had thought I had read that somebody had written an app to run VE, and I have a Galaxy. If that is a myth, and I have to go shopping for another computer to run VE on, then it being an Android doesn't really matter to me anymore. What I am aiming for, is something that can take a load of vibration, and is preferably small enough to throw in the glove box, and forget about until we get where we are going. Is anybody here using anything other than a laptop? I tried my laptop in the desert and was losing connection about every 30 seconds, (meaning I had to restart my laptop to find the controller again) my guess is the hard drive probably isn't really digging going through all the bumps.

[Piledriver]

Depending on specs, phones can work, but you will be running it on Linux.

TunerStudio is a desktop app and is not remotely touch friendly, esp on tiny screens.
I tried the 8" microcenter tablet, it worked fine and was fast, but TS was basically a PITA to use TunerStudio.
I got over my desire for a tablet pretty quick, and it was no fault of the tablet.

Something @~10" works OK, perhaps smaller with a Wacom pen like a Note would be usable

The usb connection is more likely the vibration issue, I have a couple ports on one of my laptops that lose connection on ~any bump, and one more port solid as a rock. (probably wear related)

BTW, you'll really only need to use VEAL for a few hours at most with a fresh from scratch tune, I've been using it so long I can get a pretty decent driving tune in 15 minutes just on a local highway 4 onramp/cruise back through town loop.
If you have hills, even better, its hard to hit the upper end without a good hill.

There is a temptation to run VEAL all the time-- resist it, there is always noise in combustion, fuel and sensors, and that's what closed loop O2 correction is for.

For logging, ShawdowDash and MSDroid work well, and MSDroid allows tuning, and the tuning interface is being actively worked on as far as usability.

TunerStudio would require a complete rewrite to be touch-usable.

[STOICH]

Depending on specs, phones can work, but you will be running it on Linux.

TunerStudio is a desktop app and is not remotely touch friendly, esp on tiny screens.
I tried the 8" microcenter tablet, it worked fine and was fast, but TS was basically a PITA to use TunerStudio.
I got over my desire for a tablet pretty quick, and it was no fault of the tablet.

Something @~10" works OK, perhaps smaller with a Wacom pen like a Note would be usable

The usb connection is more likely the vibration issue, I have a couple ports on one of my laptops that lose connection on ~any bump, and one more port solid as a rock. (probably wear related)

BTW, you'll really only need to use VEAL for a few hours at lost with a fresh from scratch tune, I've been using it so long I can get a pretty decent driving tune in 15 minutes just on a local highway 4 onramp/cruise back through town loop.
If you have hills, even better, its hard to hit the upper end without a good hill,

I agree with the USB point. I have run in to that as well. My tune is now a few years old, and again I agree, a good tune can be had fairly quickly on the highway. This car is not street legal so the hwy becomes an issue. My other issue is how often I am tweaking the thing. I do run nitrous, and have recently installed a new turbo so I would like to give the computer a chance to re-learn again. I have alot of miles logged from when it was a street car, but nothing when I am really pulling hard on it. It does run pretty well, and that makes me wonder just how much better it could be made to run if VE got a good look at it in actual driving conditions. If I could find somebody with a dyno that was willing to play with MS, I would probably just go that route, depending on cost of course. I digress, I guess I have the answer- nothing available as of yet- Thanks for the input.

[Piledriver]

On a large enough screen TS is viable, possibly 8" with a pen input.

The dyno operator just needs to run the dyno, you are capable of tweaking the AFR target and timing tables.

[Dale M.]

Way back when I was an ATARI user (late 1980's) and when they died I made a vow to never get caught up in a system that can get orphaned.... Apple is viable but its not main stream in fact the a lot of applications will not run on their systems... I stay main stream, Windows (which I am not fond of) Linux/Unix and Android.... With Apples proprietary interconnects and their attitude that you only get what they feel you need has been kind of a turn off for me.... Is Apple i-products good, you bet, BUT it has its limitations...

Dale