Engine Question - what goes here?
- perrib
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Re: Engine Question - what goes here?
He is on a very limited budget. Goodyear makes some nice oil cooler hose. You can get away with the Empi hose you just change it every two years. The only issue I have from seeing more than one siezed engine is from the hose clamps loosening up and the hose flying off. As long as you check them you'll survive. As for the 92s you might change three sets of them before changing one set of 90.5s. Once blowby starts your engine runs hotter, can ping.
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Re: Engine Question - what goes here?
My plan was to treat this engine gently, but accept that it was going to be short-lived, and to replace the thinwalls with Mahle or similar 90.5's when this one makes the Horrible Noise.
I generally assume advertising to be as accurate and truthful as anything a politician says. I also accept that if I build an engine for more power, I'm shortening its lifespan unless I spend more money than I have on the highest quality parts - and pay a better mechanic than myself to install them. Each job I do on any of my cars is a learning experience, I use the Bentley manual and the Idiot book to guide me in lieu of much real experience.
I'll do more research on the full-flow filters and the like. Is this one of the places I can get away with EMPI parts?
I generally assume advertising to be as accurate and truthful as anything a politician says. I also accept that if I build an engine for more power, I'm shortening its lifespan unless I spend more money than I have on the highest quality parts - and pay a better mechanic than myself to install them. Each job I do on any of my cars is a learning experience, I use the Bentley manual and the Idiot book to guide me in lieu of much real experience.
I'll do more research on the full-flow filters and the like. Is this one of the places I can get away with EMPI parts?
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Re: Engine Question - what goes here?
I would only select EMPI if I needed a cheap t-shirt with three arm holes.
I have used their generic cast steel (iron?) pump cover, it is rough but with a belt sander and wet/dry sandpaper and glass can made to work. Aluminum covers tend to wear from the gears, it may not matter to you.
Don't get any hose on the cheap! go to your local hydraulic shop and get JIC-8 push lock fitting and hose rated for oil/heat/pressure. The best thing about this, is once (or after years of use) after making hoses at home you will have a perfect template for having a teflon hose made.
Filter mounts can be found at FLAPs, inlet port location and filter thread vary a little. While I have never used a HP-1 filter, the ones I would get are that thread.
I have used their generic cast steel (iron?) pump cover, it is rough but with a belt sander and wet/dry sandpaper and glass can made to work. Aluminum covers tend to wear from the gears, it may not matter to you.
Don't get any hose on the cheap! go to your local hydraulic shop and get JIC-8 push lock fitting and hose rated for oil/heat/pressure. The best thing about this, is once (or after years of use) after making hoses at home you will have a perfect template for having a teflon hose made.
Filter mounts can be found at FLAPs, inlet port location and filter thread vary a little. While I have never used a HP-1 filter, the ones I would get are that thread.
Yeah some may call it overkill, but you can't have too much overkill.
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Re: Engine Question - what goes here?

This is how my engine was re-plumbed and not using the expensive stuff. The hose is not at the top of the line; e.g., the heaviest you can get, but I think it was pretty close to it at the time.
Remote oil filter housing runs in the $14 range, minus filter and fittings, while the same mount with braided hose and AN fittings start at somewhere around $114 and goes up from there.
http://www.mooreparts.com/store/product/736/AC117106/. This is an example of a exhaust manifold mount for the remote oil filter. There are others around that add more locations or features but this is quite often what one needs.
Based on a technical paper that the Ford motor company wrote in the 50's, an oil filter adds quite a bit of longevity (I don't remember the figure but it was higher than one would think. I looked for it on line but there is so much crap out there it is hard to find again) to an engine.
As far as what sideshow was talking about on flattening the cover here is how to do it if you didn't already know.
Get a piece of flat, modern day glass (not wavy), and tape some 600 grit or finer (1000 to 4000 grit would be better to use) wet/dry sandpaper to it. Wet the paper (flood it) and then lay the cover on it; lightly pressing on the cover using circular, back and forth and side to side motions start sanding the bottom surface of the cover. Stop and look at the surface quite often to see if there are any spots not being affected by the sanding. When the un-sanded spots are gone you should be done. I would lay a straight edge across the flat surface vertically, horizontally all along the surface and from corner to corner along the total surface to also check for flatness.
Lee
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Re: Engine Question - what goes here?
It costs around $30 apiece (depending upon length, of course) for a professionally-assembled Teflon-lined, stainless-steel-braided #8 or #10 hose with brass fittings at a shop servicing the construction-equipment market. You'll find all of the fittings and plugs needed stocked there too, for another ~$20 or so. It can be a bit tricky plumbing out of the pump cover on an IRS bus because of the moustache bar, you'll need some extra fittings to achieve the necessary angles. Berg sells an iron cover with a preinstalled 45° fitting (for $35) that usually works well enough (not all moustache bars are made the same). Figure on a total budget of close to $150 for everything.
While the anodized-aluminum fittings from Earl's et al are much dressier-looking, they're also easier to damage. IMO they aren't worth the cost except when you need a radiused bend - every non-radiused angled fitting adds as much restriction as a couple feet of hose. Same goes for the most-commonly found oil filter adapters with 90° inlet & outlets - look harder and you'll find "straight-in" ones with less restriction (and 1/2NPT, not 3/8, fittings), even after using slightly longer hoses to plumb them.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-2177ERL/
While the anodized-aluminum fittings from Earl's et al are much dressier-looking, they're also easier to damage. IMO they aren't worth the cost except when you need a radiused bend - every non-radiused angled fitting adds as much restriction as a couple feet of hose. Same goes for the most-commonly found oil filter adapters with 90° inlet & outlets - look harder and you'll find "straight-in" ones with less restriction (and 1/2NPT, not 3/8, fittings), even after using slightly longer hoses to plumb them.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-2177ERL/