The "Super 2 liter plus" outline revealed!

This forum is for any discussion related to Aircooled Technology, the DTM shroud and Massive TypeIV engines. You may read and search this forum, but you can not post to it.

Moderator: Daniel G

Locked
STRIDER
Posts: 2
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:50 am

head design

Post by STRIDER » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:55 am

Have you looked into Somender Singh's grove in the head design? He also is a proponent of gass miliage and fuel efficiency. He is also a supporter of the increased compression increased effeciency theory.

User avatar
Piledriver
Moderator
Posts: 21388
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:01 am
Location: Van Alstyne, Texas

Post by Piledriver » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:07 pm

http://somender-singh.com/#photo

Short: Groove(s) in squish area, appear to be pointing at plug.

Has patents.

Observations: Appears to aim a slug of mix at the plug area near TDC.

Neat idea, on a true "squishie" motor, with the chamber over the ex valve only, the groove_s_ should likely point at the center of the ex valve, or could be configured to provide extra swirl.

I am curious if one could stick a ~10-12mm plug NEXT to the std plug location so it was in the "right place" in a T4 head.
(WITHOUT welding)
Last edited by Piledriver on Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I, for one, regularly embrace our new robot overlords, as I am the guy fixing the robots...

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:13 pm

Funny that this post popped up again...

Over this past weekend Beth allowed me to convince that her engine/car needed a certain change....

Wait till you see what it is, but it won't be publicized until we are done with it! (too many Stromberg's out there!)

User avatar
Plastermaster
Posts: 2762
Joined: Sun Sep 30, 2001 2:01 am

Post by Plastermaster » Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:33 pm

Piledriver wrote:http://somender-singh.com/#photo

Short: Groove(s) in squish area, appear to be pointing at plug.

Has patents.

Observations: Appears to aim a slug of mix at the plug area near TDC.

Neat idea, on a true "squishie" motor, with the chamber over the ex valve only, the groove_s_ should likely point at the center of the ex valve, or could be configured to provide extra swirl.

I am curious if one could stick a ~10-12mm plug NEXT to the std plug location so it was in the "right place" in a T4 head.
(WITHOUT welding)
I read an article about him over a year ago. He struggled for years trying to get some recognition, support and a patent. I'm glad to see he suceeded. It was an interesting story...had a picture of the poor guy working barefoot in his garage, making something out of nothing. Ya can't help but admire him.

Ron

User avatar
Piledriver
Moderator
Posts: 21388
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:01 am
Location: Van Alstyne, Texas

Post by Piledriver » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:00 pm

Jake, if you get a chance, follow that link and read a bit.

You have a brother of sorts in Mysore.
I, for one, regularly embrace our new robot overlords, as I am the guy fixing the robots...

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:04 pm

Already read it... We'll have to try that.

User avatar
MassIVe 79 Vert
Posts: 64
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:36 pm

Post by MassIVe 79 Vert » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:08 am

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:Funny that this post popped up again...

Over this past weekend Beth allowed me to convince that her engine/car needed a certain change....

Wait till you see what it is, but it won't be publicized until we are done with it! (too many Stromberg's out there!)

You guys are gonna love this one!! Just wait and see :shock:

User avatar
dstar
Posts: 3733
Joined: Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:01 am

Post by dstar » Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:18 am

Direct port injection?
:twisted:

Don

User avatar
new2bugs
Posts: 372
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2002 2:01 am

Post by new2bugs » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:41 am

Come on!!! Come out wiht it already the suspense is Freaken Killin' me!!

Tim

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:49 am

The more you bug me the less you'll learn!

Now I'm glad I didn't finish the engine yet!

User avatar
new2bugs
Posts: 372
Joined: Sat Sep 14, 2002 2:01 am

I know

Post by new2bugs » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:52 am

I know I know. I just want to see pics that is all. :D It's cool I am really a patient person, I was just trying to build my post count.

Hahahahha!

Just Kidding.

Tim

User avatar
Piledriver
Moderator
Posts: 21388
Joined: Sat Feb 16, 2002 3:01 am
Location: Van Alstyne, Texas

Post by Piledriver » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:16 pm

FWIW, I have OPENFOAM (CFD program) 1.2 working now, and will be trying to model the turbulence with and without Mr. Singhs "grooves", probably just modifying an existing model at first.

I just have to remember how to use Blender... It can generate files FOAM can import IIRC.

Waiting with bated breath for the latest upgrade ;-)
I, for one, regularly embrace our new robot overlords, as I am the guy fixing the robots...

User avatar
Can Drive Soon
Posts: 851
Joined: Fri May 13, 2005 3:08 pm

Post by Can Drive Soon » Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:51 pm

Guess it is too late to put those in those apfelbeck OHC heads.

User avatar
Plastermaster
Posts: 2762
Joined: Sun Sep 30, 2001 2:01 am

Post by Plastermaster » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:15 pm

Ya know the deeper Beth gets into this stuff the longer the engine will take.

Hey Beth, have you ever thought about turbo charging? I mean while the engine is still being built and all.... :D

Ron

User avatar
Ephry73
Posts: 3284
Joined: Fri Mar 02, 2001 3:01 am
Contact:

Post by Ephry73 » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:05 am

Nah, Maybe some NOS, so she could have a "Warp Speed" button

:P


Ephry

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest