Ecotecs are selling cheap...

Plasticfantastic · Post by **Plasticfantastic** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:53 am

Wish I would have had the cash to snap up one of these as a spare...
This is crazy cheap for the technology you are getting.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... MEBWA%3AIT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... MEBWA%3AIT

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:15 pm

Ok what makes the ecotec so great. I keep hearing about it but im still not sure.

Ribz · Post by **Ribz** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:28 am

^^what he said^^

Plasticfantastic · Post by **Plasticfantastic** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:55 am

The one Lingenfelter was using in his pro-Cavalier made over 1,000hp. That was with a stock block. Saturn is campaining one on the salt that makes 800hp using stock components and a supercharger. GM has a catalog full of "factory" performance parts (intakes, billet cranks, cam blanks, ported heads, etc.). There is a lot of potential in the engine. The sand guys have already started using them and they will take the abuse.

For my own personal needs...
All aluminum, weighs about 25lbs more than a VW engine.
Makes 170hp in bone stock trim, a little head work would net 200hp easy.
Turns the right way for a VW conversion.
Factory fuel injection, don't have to mix and match or pirate components.
Kennedy has adapters already to go.
Electronics are a three wire hook-up, no sorting through spaghetti for hours.
I could have had a spare for $255!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:40 pm

WOW

NICE

ill be in ebay

thanx for the info man!

Ribz · Post by **Ribz** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:41 pm

^thats me^ DOH!

*edit* from what i have been reading looks like the 2.2 is 140 hp with 150ft lbs of torque

graniteguy · Post by **graniteguy** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:09 pm

Lisa Kubo is officially the first 4cyl FWD to hit the 7's in the 1/4 mile. She drives an ecotec powered Saturn.

Plasticfantastic · Post by **Plasticfantastic** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:54 am

Yes Ribz, that's stock computer numbers. I use an off-road program and ditch all the emission junk. Nets another 30hp.

ubercrap · Post by **ubercrap** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:26 am

Hey, I've been looking at pics of your panel, and it rocks! I'm probably going to purchase this engine-less VW 412 coupe that's not too far away, possibly this weekend. I wonder if an ecotec will fit? Yes, yes, I know it's sacrilege, but I won't have an unlimited budget for this thing, and I don't want to spend all my money on a hot type 4 motor...anyway, I didn't take the damn motor out! Guess I'll have to do some measuring, I may have to eliminate the back seat... Definitely vehicle wiring is not one of my strong skills, so that engine management your buddy hooked you up with sounds like the hot ticket for sure! Now radiator placement...

Shadowbug · Post by **Shadowbug** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:23 pm

I just aquired a '62 walkthrough panel, the engine is missing so I'm definatly considering the Ecotec.

Ribz · Post by **Ribz** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:57 pm

well i came accros a deal i couldnt pass up

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... %3AIT&rd=1

maybe for my street car ill use the ecotec looks like it has great potential and not bad stock either

and BTW thanx for the great info Plastic, you sure got my gears turning, i was lookin in saturn and cav forums lol

Pillow · Post by **Pillow** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 8:29 pm

Now you have me thinking!

Any pics of the three wires for the ECU? That just blows me away for a FI engine!

... Where to hide a radiator in a split?

Mmmm pretty: http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertra ... ont_lg.jpg

Thanks!

Panelfantastic · Post by **Panelfantastic** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:36 pm

Adrian,
I'll try to get some pics up tonight of the wiring ... but it's all installed now so it may be hard to tell what's what.

The engine harness has a seperate relay panel/fuse block that it plugs into so the harness itself has NO connections to make except ground. The fuse/relay panel is hard wired in so when you pull the engine, the harness can be unplugged and stay on the engine and be pulled all at once.
The relay panel has connections for
Battery
Key on
Ground
It has outputs for
Tach
Fuel pump
Fans
...that's it! Make these connections and drive!

Radiator placement is the biggest hurdle. Mine is hotrod only, so I could try whatever I wanted.

Yes, very pretty. You would be VERY suprised at how cheaply you could get a BRAND NEW zero mile Eco for...

Plasticfantastic · Post by **Plasticfantastic** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:33 pm

Ok, here's a shot of the way I set up the wiring. It could have all gone in the engine compartment (this is borrowed from the sand guys remember, so everything is weather proof) but... I wanted it inside to make troubleshooting easier and cut down on the clutter in the engine bay.

I used a cutting board to mount everything to (non-conductive/non-flammable) and have a rectangular tupperware bowl that snaps down over the top of everything to keep it safe.
Starting from 6 o'clock (bottom of pic) and going clockwise,
The 2 plugs that go to the ECU.
Top left, power distribution from the relocated battery.
Right next to it, ground dist which is tied in to the frame, and engine, and transaxle (good ground is veeery important).
Next to that is the fuse block (fans,fuel,ECU)
Next to that is the relay pack (fans,fuel,ECU)
Right below the bank of relays is a small black box, that's where the engine harness plugs to the relay/fuse assembly (which stays put when you pull the engine).
Any questions?

Pillow · Post by **Pillow** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:47 pm

I love it!

For the longest time I have been planning a 2007cc with CIS FI, but honestly this Ecotec configuration is amazing. In going through the rough technical specs it is very advanced and leaves almost nothing outside the motor body (ie timing and coil packs). Chain cam drive is excellent.

You are correct about the factory hot rod parts! If you have the $ they are out there. Some are cheap, but for the high HP you pay dearly. Not really my concern though as stock configuration seems fine to me.

How did you get rid of the cam driven power stearing pump? Also the A/C bracket stuff (I think a special GM part for the delete)?

Still pondering hidden radiators as to not look H2O. Flat under cargo floor, maybe coolant issues here? I ma not certain but I think the radiator need to point up. Two motorcyle water coolers in the engine bay, maybe not enough cooling power? Really this is the biggest hurdle for me as the westi interior cannot be violated.

BTW the 944 IRS rear end is in and just needs alligned properly

Thanks for your help!