twin plug heads

VW based Porsche. In a league of its own.

Moderator: Piledriver

Post Reply
richs914

twin plug heads

Post by richs914 » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:57 am

Has anyone tried to converted type 4 heads into a twin plug heads?

User avatar
Dave_Darling
Posts: 2534
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2000 2:01 am

Post by Dave_Darling » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:41 am

Yup. Raby's done it, so have a few others. Raby's version, specifically, was more for looks than for performance. Several engines for Spyder replicas (the Spyders were twin-plug from the factory) were built with two plugs per cylinder. Both plugs were up on the top side of the head, so any extra combustion benefits were fairly minimal.

I know of at least one other, done by Paul Guard of Guard Transmission. He sent pics to a buddy of mine. Don't know if it ever ran. I think the second plug on those was on the bottom of the chamber, and it required some fiddling with a lot of stuff on the underside of the head. That one might have had some actual power benefits, but again I'm not sure they were ever run. And they may have had other problems...

--DD

User avatar
JC-ATL
Posts: 1559
Joined: Thu Jul 25, 2002 2:01 am

Post by JC-ATL » Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:35 pm

I gotta tell you, I saw that twin plug head setup that Jake did, and heard that engine run, it was pretty freakin' cool. Used an Electromotive Direct Fire Ignition with a toothed wheel and a magnetic pickup. The amount of work that went into making that puppy go was pretty amazing.

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:04 pm

Took me 6 solid months to build that puppy......

turboteener
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon Jan 29, 2001 3:01 am

Post by turboteener » Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:10 pm

There used to be a shop in Florida that did a true dual plug conversion. The plugs came in from the bottom of the heads. They were running some sort of Nissan truck dizzy cap to trigger it. They told me a few years ago they haven't done it in quite awhile. Still had the jigs though.

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:07 pm

The cap is from a Nissan Z22 engine.... its an 8 plug 4 cylinder from the factory...

My direct fire method is much simpler. I tried the Z-22 dizzy and cap.

we are doing another twin plug engine soon, this time it will have plugs on either side of the chamber, and won't be just for looks. Even with the plugs up top it still made more power, and even ran smoother..

turboteener.

Post by turboteener. » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:45 pm

I realize your method is much better. This is what was available for a reasonable price in the early 90s I guess. The direct fire method has much better control and you can stagger the times like you should with the Electromotive unit.

User avatar
lmcchesney
Posts: 135
Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:11 am

Post by lmcchesney » Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:24 am

Is there any data regarding imporved performance/efficiency between:
Twin Plugs vs multi spark vs multi pronged plugs?
L. McChesney

User avatar
Dave_Darling
Posts: 2534
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2000 2:01 am

Post by Dave_Darling » Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:13 pm

The rule of thumb that I heard was that with dual-plug ignition, you could run a full point more compression on the same fuel without any problems. And that was the main benefit.

That was quoted specifically for a 911, but I think the general application is pretty similar.

--DD

User avatar
lmcchesney
Posts: 135
Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:11 am

Post by lmcchesney » Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:38 pm

Dave,
Do you think that would be true with multispark?
L. McChensey

User avatar
Dave_Darling
Posts: 2534
Joined: Thu Apr 27, 2000 2:01 am

Post by Dave_Darling » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:12 pm

What, you mean like an MSD system? No. The MSD will let you run the mixture a little fatter without fouling the plugs, and it should help out a standard motor a little tiny bit. It might even let you raise the compression a very very small amount on its own... But it is no substitute for a true dual-plug ignition setup. The sparks are still all going into the same place, while most of the benefit from a dual-plug setup is from having two places where the mixture starts burning.

--DD

MASSIVE TYPE IV
Posts: 20132
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2000 2:01 am

Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:46 pm

My new head design will allow for twin plugs. One on either side of the chamber....

It will be getting alot of test work when we actually do it.

RacerBVD
Posts: 125
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2001 2:01 am

Post by RacerBVD » Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:17 pm

turboteener wrote:There used to be a shop in Florida that did a true dual plug conversion. The plugs came in from the bottom of the heads. They were running some sort of Nissan truck dizzy cap to trigger it. They told me a few years ago they haven't done it in quite awhile. Still had the jigs though.
:P :P
That was Jay at RPM in Daytona, and I have one of those twin plug engines and a friend has one too. Strong and fast.

Post Reply