MS3-Pro
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- MarioVelotta
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Re: MS3-Pro
Here is a look inside for the curious
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Re: MS3-Pro
Both. Well temporary the oval then switch to the Notch when done.
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Re: MS3-Pro
No more jumper wires?
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Shag Leone, SL-1 Racing
325WHP and 290TQ @17# on 91oct
383WHP and 324TQ @23psi on 50/50 mix
What's next?
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[email protected]
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Shag Leone, SL-1 Racing
325WHP and 290TQ @17# on 91oct
383WHP and 324TQ @23psi on 50/50 mix
What's next?
Need a turbo or parts!
[email protected]
Facebook at SL 1 racing
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Re: MS3-Pro
I'm not sure what jumpers you saw. There is the boot loader. But I'm not sure about the other small header. Could be for initial programming or testing.
Last edited by MarioVelotta on Fri Apr 12, 2013 8:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
The Dub Shop
[email protected]
1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
Facebook-Tech-Store
[email protected]
1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
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- Dale M.
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Re: MS3-Pro
Curious as to pin outs for the plugs/sockets....
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Re: MS3-Pro
IIRC MS3-Pro comes with the harness, all wires are labeled every 12".
Wiring setup is surely available on DIYAutotune and MSextra sites.
If that's a 6 pin header, it's probably a BDM connector for factory loader install/low level debugging.
Don't use it unless you really know what you are doing, and even then the ROM is certainly read protected.
B&G and the devs locked down MS3 to prevent the unlicensed knockoffs MS2 generated.
The upcoming MS3 module (similar setup to the Ms2module used in the DIYPNP setups) is for OEM/DIYers to repackage, FW already licensed etc.
Note: Megasquirt/Msextra is not "Free/Open" software, MS1+2 are "source code available" and so are older versions of the MS3 code, but B&G/ the dev team own the code and any derivatives of the firmware.
I cannot say I blame them.
Wiring setup is surely available on DIYAutotune and MSextra sites.
If that's a 6 pin header, it's probably a BDM connector for factory loader install/low level debugging.
Don't use it unless you really know what you are doing, and even then the ROM is certainly read protected.
B&G and the devs locked down MS3 to prevent the unlicensed knockoffs MS2 generated.
The upcoming MS3 module (similar setup to the Ms2module used in the DIYPNP setups) is for OEM/DIYers to repackage, FW already licensed etc.
Note: Megasquirt/Msextra is not "Free/Open" software, MS1+2 are "source code available" and so are older versions of the MS3 code, but B&G/ the dev team own the code and any derivatives of the firmware.
I cannot say I blame them.
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Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Re: MS3-Pro
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The Dub Shop
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1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
Facebook-Tech-Store
[email protected]
1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
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- Chip Birks
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Re: MS3-Pro
Pro is MS3, just packaged way better. I was recommending Pro to you, by stating that my non pro setup is messy in comparison, same basic function, just messy, and no sealed case for me. Go MS3Pro if you want less headache.shag55 wrote:The MS3 not the pro?
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Re: MS3-Pro
I managed to partially unseat my MS3 daughterboard yesterday jumping a railroad track.
(steep approach rural railroad crossing, yes I got air )
After a few seconds of stuttering It reseated itself well enough to get me home, it's well trained.
Today I'm putting nylon bolts/nuts in the case top to push down on the ribbon cables so that is never again an issue.
(one of the ribbon cables was half off as well when I took it apart)
Admittedly it's mounted upside down without shock mounts, but with an MS3-Pro you will never have to worry about it.
(steep approach rural railroad crossing, yes I got air )
After a few seconds of stuttering It reseated itself well enough to get me home, it's well trained.
Today I'm putting nylon bolts/nuts in the case top to push down on the ribbon cables so that is never again an issue.
(one of the ribbon cables was half off as well when I took it apart)
Admittedly it's mounted upside down without shock mounts, but with an MS3-Pro you will never have to worry about it.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Re: MS3-Pro
Pile, I'm kinda surprised you haven't gotten the MS3-pro module yet.
The Dub Shop
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1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
Facebook-Tech-Store
[email protected]
1600 ITB NA - 18sec
1600 Supercharged - 13psi - 15.40 @ 84.66mph
1600 Turbo - 185hp 250tq!! Going for 200
2276 Turbo - 15psi - 11.537 @ 115.74mph
Facebook-Tech-Store
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Re: MS3-Pro
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Shag Leone, SL-1 Racing
325WHP and 290TQ @17# on 91oct
383WHP and 324TQ @23psi on 50/50 mix
What's next?
Need a turbo or parts!
[email protected]
Facebook at SL 1 racing
Shag Leone, SL-1 Racing
325WHP and 290TQ @17# on 91oct
383WHP and 324TQ @23psi on 50/50 mix
What's next?
Need a turbo or parts!
[email protected]
Facebook at SL 1 racing
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Re: MS3-Pro
I'd probably be in the market, but last I checked they were still $TBA.
Ouch, at that price I think I'll have to pass for the moment, I have 2 perfectly serviceable MS2 setups I need to use first.
By the time you add the harne$$ might as well go with the full MS3-Pro setup.
(I was thinking it would be priced somewhat closer to the MS2-module )
Ouch, at that price I think I'll have to pass for the moment, I have 2 perfectly serviceable MS2 setups I need to use first.
By the time you add the harne$$ might as well go with the full MS3-Pro setup.
(I was thinking it would be priced somewhat closer to the MS2-module )
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Re: MS3-Pro
The updated EVO version has been released with an onboard MAP. Any reason to ditch the MS3 Pro + GM MAP sensor for the EVO version? That is, if I have the MS3 Pro already BNIB. Or should I be fine with it? I've picked it up brand new for a fraction of retail price.
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Re: MS3-Pro
There is really no advantage to the built in MAP, other than saving a few pins on the connectors.
If the ECU is a long way from the engine the remote sensor can be a plus.
Its also a lot easier to change an external MAP sensor.
All internal also makes switching to MAF later a lot harder.
If the ECU is a long way from the engine the remote sensor can be a plus.
Its also a lot easier to change an external MAP sensor.
All internal also makes switching to MAF later a lot harder.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.