Loosing the EDIS module
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Loosing the EDIS module
so i've had my fun and learnt alot, now i'm thinking about loosing my EDIS module and running the coil pack or maybe COP's
can i do this via my MS1 extra or will i need to upgrade?
its currently running ignition only on my 1200 beetle
can i do this via my MS1 extra or will i need to upgrade?
its currently running ignition only on my 1200 beetle
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Re: Loosing the EDIS module
Mario has ignition modules you can use, and it will work with MS1.
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The bigger question is what board do you have? MS1extra is up to the task but your board may not be.
With the V2.2 you cannot do direct VR with the extra VR circuit board.
If you have the V3 board direct coil is easy, and if you want to do COP I would recommend the Quadspark module from DIY.
With the V2.2 you cannot do direct VR with the extra VR circuit board.
If you have the V3 board direct coil is easy, and if you want to do COP I would recommend the Quadspark module from DIY.
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Thanks guys.
I've got 2.2 so I guess that closes down my ideas somewhat.... Guess I'm best off saying for a V3 version at some point and go from there....?
FAO mario, still not forgotten you for my hidden trigger for a drysump pulley
I've got 2.2 so I guess that closes down my ideas somewhat.... Guess I'm best off saying for a V3 version at some point and go from there....?
FAO mario, still not forgotten you for my hidden trigger for a drysump pulley
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Yeah, the V3 is a nice board and you won't be disappointed.andy198712 wrote:Thanks guys.
I've got 2.2 so I guess that closes down my ideas somewhat.... Guess I'm best off saying for a V3 version at some point and go from there....?
FAO mario, still not forgotten you for my hidden trigger for a drysump pulley
I have a small pulley just not as small as a drysump. I have an idea just need to try it out.
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What dia mentions do you need bud? I've got one that came with my pump but wouldn't mind a nicer one lol
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MS1 will run COPS just fine, although (directly controlled) waste spark is easier/very simple mods and perfectly fine for almost anything that doesn't make peak TQ over 8K... and you get to use your existing coils/wires etc if you like.
Cost: 2X 1K resistors to pullup the outer LEDs, 2 330-470 ohm resistors for the inline resistor, and ~10" of 30 ga kynar jumper wire and a few dollops of 5 minute epoxy for strain relief.
VR sensors are the problem.
The "stock" VR sensor setup on the V3 boards is not all that, as they say.
VR sensors have been the bane of many a MS install.
Hall sensors are the solution, and cost no more.
Even a v1.01 board works peachy with hall sensors... And with a MS3 plugged into it
My DD is running MS3/MS3X on a v2.2 board, was running it on the bench on the 1.01 board.
I want to eventually get a v3 board, ~only due to the HD 2 oz copper PCB.
I have personally decided to give up VRs, there is simply no upside.
Cost: 2X 1K resistors to pullup the outer LEDs, 2 330-470 ohm resistors for the inline resistor, and ~10" of 30 ga kynar jumper wire and a few dollops of 5 minute epoxy for strain relief.
VR sensors are the problem.
The "stock" VR sensor setup on the V3 boards is not all that, as they say.
VR sensors have been the bane of many a MS install.
Hall sensors are the solution, and cost no more.
Even a v1.01 board works peachy with hall sensors... And with a MS3 plugged into it
My DD is running MS3/MS3X on a v2.2 board, was running it on the bench on the 1.01 board.
I want to eventually get a v3 board, ~only due to the HD 2 oz copper PCB.
I have personally decided to give up VRs, there is simply no upside.
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EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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I know you don't like VR. But there isnt a Hall small enough to fit where I have it.
I haven't had all these VR problems people talk about either. I don't know but, I still believe 90% of peoples issues are wiring related.
I haven't had all these VR problems people talk about either. I don't know but, I still believe 90% of peoples issues are wiring related.
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andy198712 wrote:What dia mentions do you need bud? I've got one that came with my pump but wouldn't mind a nicer one lol
The smallest one you have
Hopefully that way it will i can sell it to all the racers
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Neither have I, I ran a VR in my original setup from day one, as i was able to walk into my FLAPS and simply buy one off the shelf, as I knew Fords of certain vintages had them.MarioVelotta wrote:I know you don't like VR. But there isnt a Hall small enough to fit where I have it.
I haven't had all these VR problems people talk about either. I don't know but, I still believe 90% of peoples issues are wiring related.
Never gave me any issues once set up properly---BUT
...you can do that with Hall sensors as well, once you know what to ask for.
(2005 Dodge Neon crank position sensor please)
I have pulled my hair out trying to help a few folks get their VR setups working.
VR sensors need very particular shielding and setup, highly susceptible to "wiring issues".
Hall sensors work at zero RPM, and are essentially idiot resistant at least.
All you need to troubleshoot a hall circuit is a DVM.
What dimensions do you need?
(pic of the VR would help)
Here's a REALLY compact one, vane interrupt type, the wheel passes through it.
http://www.hamlin.com/specsheets/55085%20IssueAF.pdf
Still looking for a truly tiny one of the integrated point-at-wheel type.
They make really ones, but they need external magnets.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Here is the VR I use, very compact
Here is the DIY hall sensor. If it where a little shorter I would probably switch
Here is the DIY hall sensor. If it where a little shorter I would probably switch
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My `05 Neon hall is somewhere in between.
I'll yank it and get dimensions.
(really need to pull the cam sensor out of that car before it becomes bean cans)
I'll yank it and get dimensions.
(really need to pull the cam sensor out of that car before it becomes bean cans)
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Thanks!
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Looks like the Neon unit is dimensionally very close to the DIY unit.
I measured depth to flange face 1.344 (sensor side)
Connector side is pretty bulky, but I'm using it on the flywheel, no space issues.
(presses into that plastic bit you can just see behind the widened plenum)
I'll keep looking now that I know what you need.
Do you know of an OEM application for your short VR?
(most OEMs have switched to halls, and if they are still using the engine...)
I strongly suspect I could fab one < 1/2" thick using a std hall sensor and a small neodymium magnet, but that may be beyond the comfort zone of most folk.
`05 neon crank position sensor, 5V
I measured depth to flange face 1.344 (sensor side)
Connector side is pretty bulky, but I'm using it on the flywheel, no space issues.
(presses into that plastic bit you can just see behind the widened plenum)
I'll keep looking now that I know what you need.
Do you know of an OEM application for your short VR?
(most OEMs have switched to halls, and if they are still using the engine...)
I strongly suspect I could fab one < 1/2" thick using a std hall sensor and a small neodymium magnet, but that may be beyond the comfort zone of most folk.
`05 neon crank position sensor, 5V
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Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
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Mercedes C230 cam sensor (hall) appears VERY stubby, even with the connector.
(still trying to find dimensions)
It is likely it would work for crank as well.
All you REALLY need is one of these backed with a ~1/4" dia magnet, sensor on wheel side.
http://www.melexis.com/Hall-Effect-Sens ... 217-3.aspx
(that's the guts of any hall sensor)
These (and similar) can be had for ~a buck. The Neo magnet costs as much or more in onesies.
IIRC Radio Shack even sells a version.
(still trying to find dimensions)
It is likely it would work for crank as well.
All you REALLY need is one of these backed with a ~1/4" dia magnet, sensor on wheel side.
http://www.melexis.com/Hall-Effect-Sens ... 217-3.aspx
(that's the guts of any hall sensor)
These (and similar) can be had for ~a buck. The Neo magnet costs as much or more in onesies.
IIRC Radio Shack even sells a version.
Addendum to Newtons first law:
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.
zero vehicles on jackstands, square gets a fresh 090 and 1911, cabby gets a blower.
EZ3.6 Vanagon after that.(mounted, needs everything finished) then Creamsicle.