Common car fuel pumps?

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Common car fuel pumps?

Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:41 am

I'm starting to think of fuel pumps for my EFI 2110 build.

What common cars can we rob the pumps off? Volvo does clonebug use? Any others? Ford escorts ect? Subaru's?

A Bosch 044 would be ideal but pricey!

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Re: Common car fuel pumps?

Post by miniman82 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:21 am

Ford E-150 van is what I got from FLAPS for mine.
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Post by Steve Arndt » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:50 am

I have ran bus and vanagon pumps on my baja. They are very easy to access under the vans. I have a mid 80s Mercedes CIS pump on the baja right now.

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Post by Clonebug » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:05 pm

I'm using a 94 Volvo 940 turbo pump.

It's mounted under the drivers side seat on the frame if you are looking for it in the junkyard. It comes with the filter on a removable bracket but the filter is a little large for packaging on a buggy. I used a Golf filter that worked with the Volvo Banjo fittings for an easier fit.
Here's a pic so you can see the part number.

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I'm sure there are many others that will work.
They are kind of pricey when new though.
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.

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Re: Common car fuel pumps?

Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 1:41 pm

Cheers guys, do any have push on fittings do you think?

I'm thinking hard line feed and return and flare the ends for any parts where I need flexi.

Don't think they sell that ford in the uk.

Will any injection pump work?
And the reg just bleeds off the excess pressure?

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Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:17 pm

also a lot of pumps have huge inlets, how do you step up to that? just a common step up bit?

so tank, to pre filter, to pump to injection filter right?

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Post by Steve Arndt » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:22 pm

My setup is all copied from the 75-79 bugs. The fuel filter has a large outlet that matches the large inlet of the pump. The rest of the setup is all standard 7mm (or whatever it is) size.

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Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:30 pm

Steve Arndt wrote:My setup is all copied from the 75-79 bugs. The fuel filter has a large outlet that matches the large inlet of the pump. The rest of the setup is all standard 7mm (or whatever it is) size.

ah ok, see i have seen filters that have an option of input and output sizes live this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SYTEC-MOTORSP ... 2343ed5e99

that can be a pre filter and a pressure filter it seems, but if using that would i need a pressure filter do you think?
the bug pumps might be harder to find then the Volvo's ect which are common in UK

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Post by Steve Arndt » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:37 pm

I only have a filter between the tank and pump, I don't have a high pressure filter at this time.

The large filter and line size on the inlet to the pump acts as a small reserve so the pump is less likely to cavitate or suck air.

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Post by Clonebug » Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:43 pm

andy198712 wrote:also a lot of pumps have huge inlets, how do you step up to that? just a common step up bit?

so tank, to pre filter, to pump to injection filter right?
My pump has the metric equivalent of 1/2 inch hose for the inlet so I just tapped the tank outlet for 1/4 pipe and added a 1/4 inch Tee with a half inch nipple and a 1/4 inch nipple return to use the stock fuel line.
The pre-filter is an off the shelf unit from the local parts store that had a 1/2 inch inlet and outlet to work with the pump. I can't remember what the micron size is but somewhere between 40-100....

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The outlet on this Volvo pump is Metric equivalent of 1/4 inch and I used the original line with the Banjo's to tie into the new pressure side filter.
I could buy different banjos to adapt to whatever size I want but I found a 5/16ths banjo nipple from a Honda that worked for my hose into the tunnel. Best part...it was free off a junk engine at my brothers shop...... :lol:
It even had the correct bend to it.
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.

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Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:15 pm

Steve Arndt wrote:I only have a filter between the tank and pump, I don't have a high pressure filter at this time.

The large filter and line size on the inlet to the pump acts as a small reserve so the pump is less likely to cavitate or suck air.

Ah yeah, like a surge tank kind of, thanks mate, thats makes it easier for me as i can use a filter with a suitable inlet and huge outlet for the pump....

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Post by andy198712 » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:22 pm

Clonebug wrote:
andy198712 wrote:also a lot of pumps have huge inlets, how do you step up to that? just a common step up bit?

so tank, to pre filter, to pump to injection filter right?
My pump has the metric equivalent of 1/2 inch hose for the inlet so I just tapped the tank outlet for 1/4 pipe and added a 1/4 inch Tee with a half inch nipple and a 1/4 inch nipple return to use the stock fuel line.
The pre-filter is an off the shelf unit from the local parts store that had a 1/2 inch inlet and outlet to work with the pump. I can't remember what the micron size is but somewhere between 40-100....

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The outlet on this Volvo pump is Metric equivalent of 1/4 inch and I used the original line with the Banjo's to tie into the new pressure side filter.
I could buy different banjos to adapt to whatever size I want but I found a 5/16ths banjo nipple from a Honda that worked for my hose into the tunnel. Best part...it was free off a junk engine at my brothers shop...... :lol:
It even had the correct bend to it.
Free parts are the best! might raid the pilots cars at work :lol:

i notice the volvo pumps i saw on ebay also are used on some porsches ect....
might look for a volvo pump on ebay see whats about... sometimes the hard part is finding out what sized a thread is to find the right adapter you know?

thanks guys very helpful!! i like the look of the filter i posted earlier but maybe its too restrictive.... also tempted to find a spin on filter head for fuel filters and go that route for the pressure side if i can, fairly OEM them interns of spares, just so many options for it all out there and taking some time to get my head around it all!

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Post by andy198712 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:55 pm

Paid £32 for this in the end.

Bosch pump, 12mm inlet and 8mm outlet, comes with fittings and a 12mm-8mm adapter. And some hose too (Goodyear)

I'm thinking I'll use the cb fuel tank T and buy an adapter for that for my 12mm line for the feed. Then into a filter (maybe?) then too the pump, then to a fine inline filter. And hard line to the rear, rubber hose (high quality) to my tbi's :) I figure OEM do it this way for the throttle bodies, so good enough for me and my wallet ;)

Just need to fine some suitable filters

Oh and it came with rubber mounts which is handy!

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Post by Clonebug » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:00 pm

andy198712 wrote:Paid £32 for this in the end.

Bosch pump, 12mm inlet and 8mm outlet, comes with fittings and a 12mm-8mm adapter. And some hose too (Goodyear)

I'm thinking I'll use the cb fuel tank T and buy an adapter for that for my 12mm line for the feed. Then into a filter (maybe?) then too the pump, then to a fine inline filter. And hard line to the rear, rubber hose (high quality) to my tbi's :) I figure OEM do it this way for the throttle bodies, so good enough for me and my wallet ;)

Just need to fine some suitable filters

Oh and it came with rubber mounts which is handy!
There was a post on thesamba where that CB Tee bottomed out on the tank before tightening all the way. You might want to check that out before spending the serious bucks for it.

A 1/4 in tee threaded into the inside of the tank outlet works fine for a lot less than half the price. You just have to tap the tank and if I can do it.....anyone can.... :wink:
Just tap it a little at a time until you get it the depth you want and also in the correct position you want it.
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.

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Re: Common car fuel pumps?

Post by andy198712 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 1:00 pm

Yeah I saw that one, and looked into your method.
NPT taps are kinda pricey in the uk so might look at the BSP equivelient maybe :) but seems a good route!

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