Timing light on COPs

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Piledriver » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:20 pm

Really? :lol:
"...he doth protest too much, methinks..."
..and I was going to leave it be...
And please look up the definition of "slander" before making noise.

If it's "not a secret" how, exactly is is "slander"? (typing while ROTFL, cordless keyboards rock)
Also note The Truth is a perfect defense against "slander" in the US, anyway.

There's no "Order" (or even a PM expressing feeling slighted, which I might have considered) in my inbox, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
I certainly do not take orders from you, buckwheat.

BTW, Ever hear of the Streisand effect?
Heeeeeeeeere we go....

//rant mode on
(breadcrumbs for robots)
REDLINE WEBER, RE: IGN4 IGN-4a IGN4A IGN4a

It was "mythical" because ~no one (Including YOU) sold them online as IGN4As...
Of course ~none of your "resellers" actually sold them at all for some "mystery" reason, which is fully explained when I rattled the cage in the msextra thread, as I was curious and wanted to know how well they worked etc prior to buying some.
http://www.msextra.com/forums/viewtopic ... 01&t=54862
(more breadcrumbs)

It is "mythical" as it shares ~no design similarity with an IGN1 or IGN4.
It is not even close, so the "family similarity" is only in the MARKETING name.
(and you fully admit it)
I'm apparently far from the first to find this out, either, digging deeper this seems common knowledge in some online forums.
(no surprise as it is "not a secret" to those "in the know")

It was hidden from ME, and I was a potential customer, moron. Bad Move.
I hate "secrets" and stupid marketing shenanigans.

How, exactly does this "slander" you in any way?
Were you trying to trick people into thinking a VW 106B from the 2000 era New Beetle was a high end coil pack like a IGN1/IGN1a?
(Which are essentially Mercury GDi outboard parts, although you may have a run of custom versions, anyone want the Mercury part numbers? good low hour used ones sell all day long for ~$25-30)
(also note ASKING A QUESTION is not "slander" by definition, either.)

Give it a rest, the "myth" is busted. Sorry, I genuinely intended no offense.
But:
It's almost certainly a $40 coil pack. (and a very good one)
VW MSRP is only $200... http://www.parts.vw.com/vwparts/?search ... llCatalogs
..but what idiot buys parts from/at dealer prices??
The OEM part (same manufacturers) commonly sell for $42-65 all day long.
THAT is the "street price".

If anyone insists on buying the absolute latest rev from a VW DEALER it's currently $147
http://www.jimellisvwparts.com/products ... 5106E.html

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU...
If you have any evidence whatsoever that "your" "ign4a" units are not simply "106B"s here's the perfect place to show the world.

I'm sure many folks would be delighted to part with the extra $ if they are an enhanced version with easily documentable improved performance specs.

I'm not much into secret handshakes or "special" purchasing procedures, but here's your opportunity to prove me wrong.
I will be delighted and admit such if you can prove/document what you sell as IGN4a are not just (perhaps relabeled) VW 106Bs... and post specs AND testing results (which you must surely possess if true) showing the improved performance.

I'd even buy some, as that was the goal in the first place.

Ah, just read the rest of your hysterical rant, so I'll just find some 106Bs, as you admit I'm right.

The above is a reply to (just in case he realizes what he actually stepped in//accomplished and deletes his post, the last line contains useful info)
Redline Weber wrote:FIRST, I have NO idea why PILE"S statements of "mythical, etc" were NOT MODERATED by this forum.
HE has been ORDERED to STOP the slander.

NEXT, this coil IS a common OEM VW aftermarket coil, SOLD by WorldPac, the largest aftermarket parts distribution IN THE WORLD. (mythical?)
The VW dealer "list price" IS $362.00 USD, WP price of 165.00.
This coil we manufacture for WP has both the VW interchange number & my "street" name IGN-4A

Those who have bought this coil directly, at a better price, are given this type of information. (NO BIG SECRET)

I spend time here on this forum to help people, provide good quality products at a LOW price lower than the "normal" street price.

SO I ASK ALL here: Why should MY products receive "SLANDEROUS REMARKS" ?

My method for COP timing light attachment is to "add" a short plug wire between the coil and plug so as the clamp can be attached.

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by grelland » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:19 am

Thank you, I DID find the advice I needed in there ;)

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Piledriver » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:48 am

You are welcome, sorry this innocent thread got polluted, perhaps the forum mod can move the off-topic posts to another thread in ignition? (I can only do it in the 914 forum and (perhaps) a few general forums, have not tried)

I ask only that a link to it is retained in the thread, as several posts include useful information for STF members, so not deleted...
Those Google and Bing robots need their breadcrumbs, anyway.
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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Max Welton » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:25 pm

Just got back from a local junk yard. There were several Jettas and and Passats that would have come with a 106B, but all were missing. I can buy one new, but was also hoping to get the connector.

What about the coil packs I see on Subaru engines?

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Steve Arndt » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:50 am

I have a 2000 Jetta parts car behind the shop with the standard 2 liter engine. It has a 106b coilpack.

I also have a couple of 92 or 93 EJ22 engines with coil packs. They are a standard 3 wire connection, one hot, then two ground completion connections for each secondary. The Suby coil packs never go bad in my experience.

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Max Welton » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:19 pm

Yeah, we have three Subarus in the family that all have similar coil-packs.

So I take it the Subaru coil-pack does not have it's own ignitor?

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Steve Arndt » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:28 pm

Max Welton wrote:
So I take it the Subaru coil-pack does not have it's own ignitor?

Max
Correct.

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Piledriver » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:40 pm

IIRC the later model ones might.

The late Neon coil is also a good choice, dumb waste spark 4 tower.
Lance even recommended it once.
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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Max Welton » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:11 pm

Well, I like the idea of built-in ignitors. Can you point me to this "standard 3-wire connector"? If I can't find a connector for a 106B, I will probably go with either a set of LS2s or the COP set that Mario sells.

I'm assuming I can use either setup in a wasted-spark configuration.

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Piledriver » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:17 pm

The LS2s can run into dwell issues running waste spark at higher RPM, but on most engines (<7K) it should be no issue.
I have a couple that do not fire the plugs <~3.5ms dwell@13.4v, I suspect they would test "bad" on a factory ecu.
At 4.2-5ms, they are all happy.
Much mote than 6ms@13.4v they start to fire when they decide to (self protection).
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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by fastback » Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:26 pm

i've been running my round LS2 coils for 4 years now 3,15ms
MS3X
i found a thread on the great WWW , somenone reading that setting from a stock GM ECU

~6ms made them hot and went in protection mode after 4-5 laps on trackdriving
not running them in wastespark though

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Steve Arndt » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:43 pm

It is pretty basic. A 4 post waste spark coil will have a 3 wire connector if it is conventional. Power, then ground to control each of the two coils.

That is how you tell if it is a "smart" coil or not, higher pin counts.

I have tons of dead subaru engines to examine (since they all die). I can look at later model ones if you like, for example a 2006 ej25 raby engine with suba gears trans (blown heads). ... (i should redact that...) :) teething problems is all. cracked heads and oil blowing transaxle. No biggy, we will get it fixed.

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Re: Timing light on COPs

Post by Max Welton » Sun Jul 20, 2014 5:46 pm

That would be great Steve. Thanks.

Max

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