Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by -Alex77- » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:33 pm

Ok, i'll have to ask about the wiring that how its done, when installing two IGN-4A coils to 4-cyl engine. At first, Autotune.fi thought about making modifications for two wasted spark coils.

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Piledriver » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:50 am

-Alex77- wrote:Ok, i'll have to ask about the wiring that how its done, when installing two IGN-4A coils to 4-cyl engine. At first, Autotune.fi thought about making modifications for two wasted spark coils.
If you can ever find someone who actually sells IGN-4A coils, please let us know.

So far no web site actually lists them as for sale, including the individual who keeps bringing them up as a great option.
Needing to know some secret handshake to buy parts or even find out specs or how much they cost is ridiculous.
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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by -Alex77- » Sun Nov 17, 2013 4:45 am

Lance from Pantera EFI sells them, they cost $135 each.

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Piledriver » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:01 am

OK, I guess they can't be bothered adding them to their websites.
That seems a very reasonable price, assuming they work as well as the IGN4.
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Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Redline Weber » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:04 pm

YOUR statement (PILE) is in VERY BAD taste, I was asked to STOP and did so !

NOW for YOUR answer, in good taste, those who sell MY coils have the right for ME NOT TO COMPETE with my own advertisements.

The guys at DIY, Mat and Ben, can provide these coils to YOU if requested.

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Piledriver » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:41 pm

Redline Weber wrote:YOUR statement (PILE) is in VERY BAD taste, I was asked to STOP and did so !

NOW for YOUR answer, in good taste, those who sell MY coils have the right for ME NOT TO COMPETE with my own advertisements.

The guys at DIY, Mat and Ben, can provide these coils to YOU if requested.

Lance

Lance, my annoyance is at them in that case, as they also do not list or discuss the part.
It has come up in discussion several times on the MSExtra site with no information volunteered.

I understand a do not compete supplier agreement, but no one lists them and it seems everyone is keeping it a secret. :roll:
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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by -Alex77- » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:36 am

IGN4A coils have same outer appearance as vw 2.0 coil 2000-

At the moment (6 pin) connectors are not yet available, but is there source for vw 2.0 coil connectors somewhere? VW? Bosch?


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Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Redline Weber » Thu Nov 28, 2013 10:23 am

Hi Alex, yes you are correct.

The "footprint" is the same, our coil is made at our factory using my chosen internal changes for improved performance.

The above knowledge should help you find a connector sooner.

What is the 'street' price for that coil ?

Remember Alex, my work here is to save money for the users here AND provide quality items.

Thus no "shame" on your work, a good report.

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by -Alex77- » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:47 pm

Hello, the price for vw coil is from $50 to over $100, the cheapest ones are usually non oem and the more expensive are oem coils or german made.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Ignition-Co ... 62&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkswagen-Igni ... b8&vxp=mtr

There is also OKADA coil, and the price is nuts :lol: :lol:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OKADA-Plasma-Di ... ea&vxp=mtr

Looks like IGN4A is the best choice considering energy / price

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Paul H » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:55 am

Piledriver wrote:Do the VAG coils like that hold up?
Yes
Piledriver wrote: My only personal experience with VAG coils is with the COPS, and they are frequently called "10K coils" for good reason...
It's how long they are good for if you are lucky.
I personally don't use COPs of any description for this very reason not to mention it's unnecessary over complication

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by -Alex77- » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:33 am

Do i need a cam sensor, when using these IGN4A coils? As they are not wasted spark coils. If so, how have you done the cam sensor setup? I'v seen cam sensor setup like this, drilled hole near oilpump and M5 bolt to cam gear:

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Ampdub » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:06 am

wow i like that solution

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IGN-4A Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Redline Weber » Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:23 am

Hi Alex, NO you would not require a CS to fire TWO of the IGN-4A coils at once, just the channel "TTL" signal level connection.
This is NOT Waste Spark, just that each coil would fire once at TDC Compression/Overlap.

NOW for what I do with the ECU-882 is to "offset" the cylinder channel for top/bottom by 9 degrees.

THIS method is similar to "twin-mag" spark strategy used on many aircraft engines.
THIS method produces a LONG spark inside the combustion chamber good for low RPM performance.

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Re: Coils for dual plug 2789cc engine with MS3?

Post by Dale M. » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:37 pm

I would think 2 4-tower coils firing in true wasted spark mode, essentially wired in parallel ( coil A for plug set A - coil B for plug set B) would be a cleaner and simpler install then trying to handle 8 individual coils... And you would have your redundancy...

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