overheating a distributor?

[STOICH]

Why are you even messing with distributor..... All the trouble shooting time wasted you could have installed a trigger wheel, VR sensor, coils and modded the MS accordingly.... for simplicity and a place to start learning curve I would get a EDIS setup and convert from distributor and then go forward from there....Maybe try putting a Pertronix or Compufire module in distributor if you want to retain distributor... What about aftermarket distributor, does MSD make one or some other "shop" make one that fits your motor.......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/EDIS-4-Ignition ... 1c22e3c17e

Dale

The wheel setup is certainly looking like the answer. I will watch that ad closely. The only concern I have about the kit in particular is that I am DOHC meaning I would have to finagle the plug wires a bit.. Thanks for the lead - It seems like the way to go

[STOICH]

looking at the pics of that kit, & being that the guy has multiple used kits for different cars, I'm wondering how much if not all of the kit is coming from wrecking yards? anybody know of stock applications for these parts, or know for a fact that any of the parts are aftermarket? I will still bid on it, but If I don't get it, I'm wondering how handy the local pick-ur-part would be....?

[Dale M.]

Yes "kits" are coming from wrecking yards .... Why not get your self down to local "Pick & Pull" or "We Be Wrecks & Stuff" and scarf up parts.... Probably get whole thing for $25...

Even if you have a DOHC motor its does not matter ( MS and EDIS is very generic) ....

You will need:

EDIS 4 Module
Coil Assembly
Plug Wires
VR Sensor
Trigger Wheel
And as much of the harness you can salvage ( mainly plugs and "some" wire (enough to splice to))

Everything you need to know is here.....

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm

All that is relevant is you use EDIS 4 cylinder setup on a 4 cylinder motor....

Only difficult part that is a bit demanding is fitting a trigger wheel to crank pulley and mounting VE sensor....... The rest is just wires and programming the ECU...

Once you have mastered the EDIS concept of ignition you can go on to sequential ignition and Coil on Plug...

Dale

[Dale M.]

looking at the pics of that kit, & being that the guy has multiple used kits for different cars, I'm wondering how much if not all of the kit is coming from wrecking yards? anybody know of stock applications for these parts, or know for a fact that any of the parts are aftermarket? I will still bid on it, but If I don't get it, I'm wondering how handy the local pick-ur-part would be....?

"Kits" come and go on ebay.... At any given time there is a kit available...IF not wait a few days...OR see information in "MS-EDIS" link (above) for vehicles these parts are "extracted" from...

Just for giggles check at some of these images.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=megasqu ... 24&bih=666

Dale

[Clonebug]

I know that the 1994 Ford Escort has that setup if it has the 1.9 liter engine.

I think it was 1991-1994 that had them but only the 1.9 liter engine.

Easy way to tell is look at the intake manifold. It is 4 individual aluminum runners going into an aluminum plenum.

It is not a cast piece rather it is welded together.
I got mine for $20.00 dollars.
Getting the crank pulley and VR sensor is the hardest due to the crank pulley bolt being fairly tight and an air gun would be the best way in order to keep it from spinning the crank.
You still need to get the 36-1 trigger wheel off the pulley and also mount it without runout in the correct place on your pulley.

I feel Marios' setup or the other one like my wheel is money well spent to get a true running wheel.

Clonebug

[supaninja]

So why does it have to be EDIS? EDIS is yesterday, direct fire is today. get yourself one of these http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/ign4 ... p-409.html, a generic trigger wheel (doesn't have to be 36-1), and a hall sensor or a vr sensor for pick and pull or ebay, and forget about having a dizzy. Also, read up on msextra.com, there is lots and lots of info on there. This is YOUR car, you should know how everything works and why.

[STOICH]

so we put an oil cooler on it tonight, with a fan/thermostat. granted it is cold out tonight... well at least to us in San Diego... dizzy is in the oil, so if oil is cooler, so is dizzy, right? No rpm loss, also accompanied by no usb cable interuption... will be interesting to see if this is duplicated when the sun is up...Seems like a band aid... but its a step closer...

--typed this, and then saw that you all had added..'

a concern is that this is a desert car, and I intend to race it at some point. The less electronics the better. Why EFi?, well carbs suck... enough said. 300 miles in to the desert, it is preferable to have built the car with stuff that can be fixed with twine and gum rrather than a solderin iron. The car that I usually run with, has a system very similar to mine, (or mine is intended to mimick his) so it makes sense to use this setup.. (spare parts and stuff)

[supaninja]

Understood, KISS=Keep It Simple Stupid, but EDIS introduces one more lil black box that direct fire won't have. Also you won't be constrained to only one type of coil and one type of crank position sensor. You do whatever you think is best, but I'm telling you from my experience direct fire has been trouble-free for me (>7000 miles on it). There are butane and battery soldering irons

[STOICH]

Understood, KISS=Keep It Simple Stupid, but EDIS introduces one more lil black box that direct fire won't have. Also you won't be constrained to only one type of coil and one type of crank position sensor. You do whatever you think is best, but I'm telling you from my experience direct fire has been trouble-free for me (>7000 miles on it). There are butane and battery soldering irons

just an option, I'm still trying to work with what I have to be honest...

[Piledriver]

What you have should work OK, although getting the advance range you may want may need a wider rotor tip, you'll have to verify the indexing is right.

Something silly is going on.

Example:See roach's thread, he probably killed a coil, simple issue with the insulators under the driver transistors, most likely.
I lost a coil when I first broght mine up due to using Kapton insulators under my drivers that came in the kit, they didn't like being tightened and arc'd through and burned away after a few hours from the kickback spikes.

I really like the LS2 coils I converted to, BTW, 5v logic controlled, no drivers needed... but coil drivers WILL work to drive them with a simple 5v pullup.

[supaninja]

Understood, KISS=Keep It Simple Stupid, but EDIS introduces one more lil black box that direct fire won't have. Also you won't be constrained to only one type of coil and one type of crank position sensor. You do whatever you think is best, but I'm telling you from my experience direct fire has been trouble-free for me (>7000 miles on it). There are butane and battery soldering irons

just an option, I'm still trying to work with what I have to be honest...

I know and that's why I'm trying to talk you out of edis, why get something when you don't need it?

[Piledriver]

BTW, I love my butane Soldering/heat shrinker (hot air) torch kit...
The ONLY place to buy butane refills is HoDepot or Lowes, big bottle is cheap there, anywhere else is robbery.

I need to make up a little clip on sheet metal "loop' for the heat shrink attachment tho so the hot air wraps around...

[Dale M.]

The only reason I mention EDIS is it takes less internal mods (in ECU) to make it work... Yes it has extra components, but EDIS ignition also has limp home feature.... Direct fire coils do not.....

With EDIS its sort of crawl before you can walk..... Takes fewer mods inside ECU and great "starting point" and is proven reliable... Upgrades to direct fire and sequential can be stage 2, first the stage 1 learning curve, get ECU controlled ignition to work.......

You say a "desert race car", and are afraid of electronics but you keep puttering around with the totally unreliable ignition system you have now.... Whether you go direct fire or with EDIS I really think you should go ECU ignition.... Its there already you just have to "hook it up" (so to speak) ...

Dale

[STOICH]

The only reason I mention EDIS is it takes less internal mods (in ECU) to make it work... Yes it has extra components, but EDIS ignition also has limp home feature.... Direct fire coils do not.....

With EDIS its sort of crawl before you can walk..... Takes fewer mods inside ECU and great "starting point" and is proven reliable... Upgrades to direct fire and sequential can be stage 2, first the stage 1 learning curve, get ECU controlled ignition to work.......

You say a "desert race car", and are afraid of electronics but you keep puttering around with the totally unreliable ignition system you have now.... Whether you go direct fire or with EDIS I really think you should go ECU ignition.... Its there already you just have to "hook it up" (so to speak) ...

Dale

ECU ignition is next. Probably this weekend. Not against electronics, just trying to keep as similar to the other car as possible. And don't get me wrong, It will never be some baja 1000 car, but It will be deep in the desert at times. Vibration and stuff is a concern, I do drive it pretty hard. I do envision eventually having the hot-rod setup, but I'm kinda crawling at this point. It will get there. Was kinda funny at tough truck. Because heat was an issue, and because the race was so short, We could run a 'hot lap' and then push it through the line up to let it cool down. Ran awesome until the oil got hot enough to screw up the distributor. I am def. getting more and more interested in learning about all the possibilities that the system has to offer. "puttering with an unreliable system" - maybe... interesting to find the dumb hall sender may have saved me an engine... had no idea that my oil temp was so high. Now that the oil temp is under control, 'so far' MS2 seems to be happy again

[Dale M.]

You keep mentioning "oil", "oil cooler", "distributor in oil" and "fans" I'm confused. Where is distributor located and how is it associated with "oil"...

Dale