1974 VW Beetle kit car to 1936 Ford Racer

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Re: RE: Re: 1974 VW Beetle kit car to 1936 Ford Racer

Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:43 am

Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Pushing my luck. I've seen Model A 19" and 21" rims on a beetle kit car. Shay Model A are a Pinto bolt patter. '36 Ford were 17" or maybe 16" but the tires were wider.
Lee, I just posted lug space measurement, also the adapter 5 lug mounted by 5 stud bolts.

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:18 pm

Marc wrote:Balljoint beam. He said in the original post that the "spacers" appear to be integral with the rotors - I've never seen anything like that before. Mystery won't get solved without removing a wheel, regardless.

Certainly looks as though it's the `66-`71 Karmann-Ghia/Type III rotors with adapters to go from the 4x130 PCD to that of the wire wheels.

Note that there are two versions of those rotors, one that's hubcentric and one that isn't - and many parts-sellers use the same part number for both :roll:
Many wheels and adapters/spacers will not fit over the center ring of the hubcentric type.


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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:19 pm

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Marc wrote:Balljoint beam. He said in the original post that the "spacers" appear to be integral with the rotors - I've never seen anything like that before. Mystery won't get solved without removing a wheel, regardless.

Certainly looks as though it's the `66-`71 Karmann-Ghia/Type III rotors with adapters to go from the 4x130 PCD to that of the wire wheels.

Note that there are two versions of those rotors, one that's hubcentric and one that isn't - and many parts-sellers use the same part number for both :roll:
Many wheels and adapters/spacers will not fit over the center ring of the hubcentric type.


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Re: 1974 VW Beetle kit car to 1936 Ford Racer

Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:22 pm

I'm guessing 5 1/8 due to lug lip at end of lug hole outside.

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:23 pm

KyDale wrote:
Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Pushing my luck. I've seen Model A 19" and 21" rims on a beetle kit car. Shay Model A are a Pinto bolt patter. '36 Ford were 17" or maybe 16" but the tires were wider.
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KyDale wrote:I was told model a ford wheels 5 lug. I will pull a wheel soon.

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19 in tires. Posted wheel lug and spacer photos today.

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:28 pm

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Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Can you post some pictures of the front suspension please. There are disc brake conversions for type I's available but it would be nice to see just what you are working with first as there might be a couple suspension options in that time frame.

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Lee, every pic I try says too large?
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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:31 pm

Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Dale... youdid it, congrats!

K&L beam and what looks to be mid-30's wire wheels. Are you using an adapter or are the rotors drilled for the wheels. How many lugs. what is the spacing between lugs and what is the size of tire? You could be using any of several wire wheel but they look large in dia and narrow in width.

My first guess would be after market type 3 rotors that were drilled to match what ever bolt pattern you are using.

The '36 Ford kits I've seen are full rendered but you have cycle fenders and w/o the rib in the center of the fender those are not '36 Ford spare tire covers we used for cycle fenders back in the '50 -'60s. If you do a Craig's list search for Portland OR using kit car as a subject there is a hammered '36 on VW pan up for sale.

Based on what little i can see of your body (the steering shaft through the side panel w/cover) it looks to be a Buggetti Fraser Nash or one of those kits. Any of them would fit in my garage with pleasure.

Got a body picture?

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Re: 1974 VW Beetle kit car to 1936 Ford Racer

Post by Marc » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:18 pm

Sure is a P.I.T.A. having to scroll through all of these posts with an entire - and irrelevant - quoted section, just to find where you may have posted some new information. Please stop doing that.

If the PCD of the rotor lug bolts is just under 5⅛", what you have there is the `66-`71 'Ghia/Type III rotor drilled for the Porsche 5x130mm pattern. May have been purchased that way (ones like that have been available from a few sources in the aftermarket) or may have been done by a local machinist. "Redrilled" 4x130mm rotors will have very few threads for lugbolts in 4 locations, so it's best if press-in studs are used on those - you may need to chop them off so they don't hit the backside of your rims.
They could also be the 10-hole version that has both Chev and Porsche patterns, like this: http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp ... C10%2D6742

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:23 pm

How can I delete a bunch of the stuff I have multiple pics same ect. Any help to delete appreciated.

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:25 pm

I can't find a way to delete I want keep about 3 of the replies. I'm not good at this tech pc phone stuff. I'm very sorry.

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Post by Marc » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:42 pm

I can't offer any guidance on smartphone usage - don't use one, don't ever intend to. But your last two posts have been "clean" so whatever you did there, don't stop :)

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Post by KyDale » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:15 pm

Ok thx. I'm just learning Doc ask me not post so much. I tried delete the thread but cant

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Post by KyDale » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:27 am

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Ol'fogasaurus wrote:Can you post some pictures of the front suspension please. There are disc brake conversions for type I's available but it would be nice to see just what you are working with first as there might be a couple suspension options in that time frame.

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Lee, every pic I try says too large?
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Post by KyDale » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:29 am

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Post by Marc » Wed Nov 02, 2016 12:55 am

Here's your pic, as an attachment to an STF post after resizing to maximum size of 800 pixels (using MS Paint, there are lots of other ways to do it)....viewtopic.php?f=18&t=127818
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