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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by H2OSB » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:43 pm

I was unaware there were any "fit over" rotors for the 205mm bolt circle. That's the way to go.

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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by Piledriver » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:18 pm

H2OSB wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:43 pm
I was unaware there were any "fit over" rotors for the 205mm bolt circle. That's the way to go.

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They don't "fit over", they bolt on the back side of the custom 5x205 splined hub, just as they bolt to the 5x130 aluminum hubs for the front, ~same as they do on a classic 911 or 944 front hub.

The 5x205 pattern makes it a PITA, that's why Porsche abandoned it when they went to discs.

A lot of those off road 5x205 disc setups have 2 or 3 sets of bolts holding things together and are really little better than bolt on adapters, which ~nobody would even suggest.
(can't comment on the CB wide5 setup, but the 5x130 setup is very nice)
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by H2OSB » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:56 pm

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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by H2OSB » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:56 pm

Oh, I thought the rotor in the picture was like the later slip over type. I had typed in a message about not knowing of any slip over rotors for the 205mm pcd then I looked at the picture.

In my mind I thought we were talking about a set up with a rear drum is turned down into a hub, and where a slip over rotor is needed. Rear set up only.

The only kits I've seen for disc brakes in wide 205 were heavy suckers in multi parts, bolted together.

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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by kangaboy » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:45 pm

H2OSB wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:56 pm
In my mind I thought we were talking about a set up with a rear drum is turned down into a hub, and where a slip over rotor is needed. Rear set up only.

The only kits I've seen for disc brakes in wide 205 were heavy suckers in multi parts, bolted together.

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This was my plan. Turning the wide five drum down to a wide five hub, and then using that as a hub...then putting the cb rotor that I linked, on top of it. Good?
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by Piledriver » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:02 pm

The CB hub shown fits over a 4x130 CrMo hub or on the back of an aluminum hub, depending on model.
No one sells anything that fits over a 5x205, that would be really huge.

Theres a possibility that you could hang it on spacers attached to the back of the iron 5x205 "hub", given some machining.

I would be more inclined to use a Wilwood rotor on an adapted wilwood steel backside adapter like they use on their new wide5s (not VW, 5 x 10.25" Ford) and attach it to the hub part rather than the wheel mounting bit like Wilwoods latest designs.
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by petew » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:36 am

kangaboy wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:45 pm
This was my plan. Turning the wide five drum down to a wide five hub, and then using that as a hub...then putting the cb rotor that I linked, on top of it. Good?
I'm a bit mystified by what you mean here. I think PD is having trouble understand it too. Could you clarify with a pic or diagram of some sort?

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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by kangaboy » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:21 am

petew wrote:
Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:36 am
kangaboy wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:45 pm
This was my plan. Turning the wide five drum down to a wide five hub, and then using that as a hub...then putting the cb rotor that I linked, on top of it. Good?
I'm a bit mystified by what you mean here. I think PD is having trouble understand it too. Could you clarify with a pic or diagram of some sort?
Eh, after reading all the previous posts again, and staring at my wheels, I can now understand why this is so difficult. The Wide Five lug pattern makes it a bit difficult to use a rotor, because the bolt pattern has such a wide diameter. Like Pile and H2OSB said before, that is why there are several layers bolted together to allow the rotor to be offset a ways from the hub.

EDIT: Prolly be the easiest to get a pair of these, get some rear calipers from the junkyard, and fab up some caliper mounts myself.
http://socalautoparts.com/shop/brake-pa ... ern-5x205/
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by Piledriver » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:36 pm

Those all-in-one wide5 rotors simplify everything, I didn't know they were a thing.
Do they sell a caliper kit to match?
They have the fronts as well, BJ or KP.

You probably want the Mk4 Passat calipers and bracket, easy to make up a mount for it.
Try to get the aluminum calipers.
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by kangaboy » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:44 pm

Piledriver wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:36 pm
Those all-in-one wide5 rotors simplify everything, I didn't know they were a thing.
Do they sell a caliper kit to match?
They have the fronts as well, BJ or KP.
I think they only sell the rotors separate...everything else has to be bought in the kit.

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http://socalautoparts.com/shop/brake-ki ... n-5x205-2/

Front Ball Joint
http://socalautoparts.com/shop/brake-ki ... n-5x205-4/

Front King Pin?
http://socalautoparts.com/shop/brake-ki ... ern-5x205/
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Re: Rear Brake Calipers

Post by Piledriver » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:27 pm

That's even a reasonable price...
Probably just using the std EMPI brackets.---EDIT Nope, its all part of a custom setup by a third party mfr.

Nice how well integrated it is, but when they stop selling the very custom bits you get to do it all over.

I would probably lean towards the CB kit, if only because I have some faith they'll be around in 10 years.
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