Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by saltgrinder » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:36 am

??? Anything

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by FJCamper » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:23 pm

Hi Kevin,

We have two Florida events (Historic Sportscar Racing) coming up, Daytona 01-03 November, and Sebring 01-04 December.

We'll be running our balljoint/IRS Ghia there, 1600cc sprint racer.

One form of test is to have a Type 1 IRS chassis there with with your front end that our driver (I don't drive -- I just crew chief) could track test. We'd perfer a Ghia, but a 356 kit car (with a good rollbar) would work and probably be more photogenic. I'd have a hard time getting a Bug past HSR management.

The only thing we'd ask, to even the playing field, is the Ghia or 356 have street-legal 185x15 tires. Any kind of engine would be okay, as we're driving the cars for feel, not max speed.

I am no suspension engineer, but I was with one national championship SCCA Showroom Stock team for a few seasons (and yes, we tweaked those suspensions), the now belated Brumos Porsche out of Jacksonville in our 1970's glory days, and the Frank Williams F1 team just before they hired Senna.

I want your suspension to work so I prejudiced in your favor.

Getting some good video at Daytona or Sebring should be useful for your own advertising.

Oh, the white car in the old Barber video you took as a Nissan was a BMW 318, just a four cylinder. He fell out for some reason. The video is poor quality. The car Barret had to run down and beat was a 325 6-cyl on race tires.

Our Ghia was in 165x15 Michelin XAS tires.

Here's one minute of a spring event at Road Atlanta in which we take down two BRE Datsun 510's. If you are old enough to remember those cars you know what passing the two of them means. And, the video shows a bit about our front suspension action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tng5ReSc2wY (corrected link)


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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by H2OSB » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:41 pm

Frank--

You kinda Rickrolled us with that video. I NOT sure you meant to attach that particular video. Perhaps you got some numbers mixed up on your link?

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by H2OSB » Tue Aug 30, 2016 5:46 pm

Re the Mendeola suspension...Why won't you guys do some kind of documented testing? You've been asked many times over the years and STILL nothing. I'm certain, were you to prove your claims, you would sell more front suspensions than you could build. Many of us out here would love something to improve on the already pretty good factory suspension, however, for how much you're asking, it needs to have documentation.

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by FJCamper » Tue Aug 30, 2016 6:36 pm

Sorry guys,

I can't even explain the video mixup. The correct link has been posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tng5ReSc2wY

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by Jadewombat » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:34 pm

H2OSB wrote:Re the Mendeola suspension...Why won't you guys do some kind of documented testing? You've been asked many times over the years and STILL nothing. I'm certain, were you to prove your claims, you would sell more front suspensions than you could build. Many of us out here would love something to improve on the already pretty good factory suspension, however, for how much you're asking, it needs to have documentation.

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Yeah, what he said.

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by Jadewombat » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:05 pm

Yeah, what he said. Any tests?

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by FJCamper » Wed Oct 25, 2017 3:50 pm

Hi Kevin,

No Sentra's in that old video. All Bimmers. The white one Barret (I'm not the driver) finally passes in the dip was a six-cyl. on racing tires.

Now, before anyone reading thinks CoolRydes and us at RetroRacing are in some kind of spat, full disclosure is we're not. We recently installed a Coolrydes aluminum master cylinder in our LeMons Bug and it solved a big problem.

My point is I'll bet Kevin & Co. would sell more front ends if they had a direct comparison test on record.

I think I could arrange the publicity with Hot VW's, and a test at some southeast track, such as Barber, Road Atlanta, Sebring or Daytona.

CoolRydes would provide an IRS Ghia with their front end.

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by H2OSB » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:12 pm

DEW EET!!!! Been waiting for this for years.

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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by Bugaroo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:38 am

I’m new to the VW scene. But like everyone else here, I would love to see a comparison. I own my own business, so I understand and shop by proof of concept. We have to perform the horse and pony show on occasion for different clients. Before I drop a few thousand dollars in your suspension (front and rear), plus various other parts needed to get my ride road race ready, I really want to see a you put it out there. A type 1 race prepped factory suspension vs. your race prepped version.

You’ve been in business long enough, there’s really no excuse in not either having done this yourselves, or having a client’s ride run a course. Throw in the racing tires and track fees, and I’m sure you’ll get some great publicity for cheap.

No disrespect or hate intended. I’m ready to drop some cash in the spring, and would like to see proof of concept, not an engineering study. That’s a lot of cash...
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Re: Advice needed - Mendeola vs Traditional type 1 suspension.

Post by DORIGTT » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:20 pm

One demonstration would kill all conversation once and for all.

I'm sure a successful outcome would result in more folks scrounging up the money to buy one because it works / is proven.

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