Hybrid Engine Project - final build up

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iswinkels
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Hybrid Engine Project - final build up

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Hi everyone,

Over the past few days I've started the final buildup of Wibble's WRX headded VW engine. For those that missed the other thread where the concept was being developed.... the goal is to build a large displacement high reving engine that uses subaru DOHC water cooled heads.

The advantage of the subaru heads is that the built in performance capability of them. The ports are huge!. Add to that reliability, 4 valves, hydraulic operation, water cooled, the list goes on. Naturally aspirated heads have small combustion chambers and will be on the engine in its final build, but in this built it will have a pair of MY98 WRX heads with 55cc combustion chambers. This means a low compression ratio and as a result reduced performance. (about 190hp i'm hoping for).

The 2180 will redline at 7300 RPM. The limiting factor being the subaru valve train and the mahle forged pistons. To go above that we'd need to run wiseco's and aftermarket valve springs which will be a simple bolt in affair when its all done. The wiseco's MIGHT be needed depending ont he valve pocket depth that has yet to be cut into the pistons, as the mahle's can only handle pockets to a depth of about 0.140".

So after designing and machining about 5 different versions of head stud adapters I decided in a final design. There was a lot to consider with making the head stud adapters. My main problem was that we'd bought an engine case that used 10mm head studs. This complicated the whole project because it meant there were no "off the shelf" bolts available that would allow the plates to be bolted on properly and still clear the barrels.

About the empi alloy cases, after seeing one I think i'd prefer the CB alloy engine block. Having 6 shuffel pins for a start, but also being a CB product its probably better quality and better machined too. One of the shuffel pins on the empi case was loose because the machining tolerences were out... Typical Empi quality...

This is the specs of the engine so far...

78mm osraka german forged billet crank
scat 5.7" h-beam 4340 rods with 3/8th rod bolts
empi alloy case with 10mm head studs
A stock cam is used for an oil pump drive, with clearancing for the conrods as the 3/8th bolts make them fat!
Welded stock lifters, installed to block the oil galleries. Glued into place with silicon for the moment, but after the engine proves itself the oil gallery plugs will be drilled and tapped, and plugs will be installed to allow oil supply to the lifter bores to be closed off. I didn't want to modify the block too much incase the whole project goes sideways...
mahle 94's with total seal 2nd rings
CB dry sump pump , full flow fitting on the front of the case will be t'd off to supply oil to the heads via external hose plumbing. Oil return via some custom tubes that will return via the pushrod tube holes in the case.
custom head stud adapters, 10mm plate bolts to the block and 12mm head bolts. All grade 12 high tensile steel.
MY98 wrx heads with modifed water cooling supply and returns.

The next part of the project requires 12mm to be machined off the base of the barels so the fit inside the engine case again and the deck height is restored to 0. Setting the actual deck will be done with a 0.040" copper head gasket and barrel shims. I'll be getting the barrel machining work done next week once we are all back from holidays.

After that its heads, timing belt, oil supplys and returns, intake manifold and then a test start. (who needs an exhaust) Timeframe is about another month... so we'll see if I can keep that.

Here's the pictures...


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I'll keep posting updates as things progress.

Cheers,
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Post by VW_Dale »

Hi
Awesome idea, keep us all posted as you plug away.
Doing stuff like this keeps the world going around 8)
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So here's the latest update. I've gotten the cylinders back from the machine shop. They made up a brass slug that fits into the cylinder the piston end so they could hold it tightly in the chuck without fear of distorting or crushing the barrel.

For the bottom of the barrel an aluminium slug was also machined up that allowed the dead center of the lathe to lock into it.

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All barrels have 11.5mm machined off the bottom of them, which restores the deck height to 0 after taking into consideration the 5.7" rods and the 15mm barrel spacer/stud adapters.

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Here's a shot of the water cooling galery block off plate. These locate the cylinders and also block the water galleries in the heads.

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Now this is starting to look pretty good. Here is the engine pictured head to head. It fits together like it was made to!

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The insides of the DOHC heads.

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Next steps are :

1. Piston balancing and final fitup of cylinders(deck height setting etc)
2. Sorting out the oil drain from the heads to go back thru the pushrod tube holes.
3. Blocking off the water galeries on the heads, and re-routing the coolant to enter and exit via the plugs that are in the middle and at each end of the heads.
4. Order some nice head stud bolts.
5. Custom machine some cam drive pullies to allow the timing to be set and adjusted.
6. Intake manifold construction.

7. Test run...
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Post by gcorrado »

I N S A N E ! ! ! ! !
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Post by silly english bugger »

Great work Ian!
I wish I had the time, finance & resources to even scratch the surface of a mammoth project like that.
Groundbreaking work, be proud!!
By the way whats it going in?
Andy.
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Post by iswinkels »

An original Myers manx. I can build it, but thankfully I won't be driving it because its going to be scary!
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Post by gerico »

Ian,

This is an extremely interesting project which I intend to follow. I'm very impressed with the engineering and originality but I have to ask:

Why not just use a Subaru engine??? The VW block will be hard pressed at best to match the durability of a stock Subaru. Also good used Subaru single turbo and dual turbo engines can be had for a reasonable price.

Does the use of the VW block simplify the mounting, trans mating, and engine cooling to such an extent that it's simpler in the long run to adapt the VW block to the Subaru heads? Whatever the reason, I'm sure that if the project is successful a number of VW racers will be iterested in duplicating it.

On a slightly different note, it's a fortunate coincidence that the VW cylinder to cylinder spacing is the same as the Subaru.

I wish you well and I'm REALLY interested to see the power and torque curves of this "Subawagen" engine.
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Post by iswinkels »

That one's been asked before on the aussie thread...

I guess the reasons are :

1. its still a vw block, so I still get that warm fuzzy feeling :D
2. no adapter plate required
3. more vw part options are available
4. I didn't have to pay for much of this at all. My engineering firm that I work for does it for me as favours :D
5. and I guess cause no one has done it in australia before... to my knowlede at least.

Ordered the head bolts yesterday...

5/8th" UNF grade 8 high tensile. Will certinly do the job. I can't get 12mmx1.5 metric fine high tensile studs in australia!
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Post by MinamiKotaro »

That engine gives me a woody.

Good work.
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Well I finally got the head studs manufactured. Starting with a piece of high tensile 1/2" 4140 chromoly I had 12 high tensile head studs made with a 12x1.5 metric fine thread cut onto each end. The stud diameter is still 1/2" so the heads were then drilled to acomodate the larger stud diameter.

I've modified the cylinder 1+2 plates so that the main stud bolts don't go thru the plate. It was just easier to do it this way than to get another 6 studs made that would go thru the plate.

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Last of all is the alloy cylinder locater plates have been drilled for the oil return fittings that will then return oil to the sump via the pushrod tube holes. 2 oil returns from each head will do the job nicely.

Head studs installed. These suckers should hold 70-80ft-lb, but only need to be torqued to 40ish on this engine.

All engine internals are balanced now too. Here is a pic of one cleaned and prepped WRX head installed.

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Last one....
Next on the list is installing the heads, and oil returns to the sump.
Then onto installing the cams and setting up the camshaft timing.

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