VW Trike Stability
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PERFORMANCE TRIKES
Its not just getting a machine on three wheels...Modern trikeing is about whatever the owner/builder desires.. comfort for touring....style for the profilers and customizers,,ruged consturction for off roading... lowness for pylon raceers... super power to weight for drag racers....My digger is less then 700lbs...with a STOCK engine, thats 10lbs per hp......(mid 13s@100+mph).....A "normal" vw needs a TRUE +150hp to match that....( I know cuz my 1400lb baja, with a modified typeIV (150 dyno hp) turns about the same....As for handleing...it is very hard to get a bike or car to go around a corner as fast....How can that be?? With little weight on the front end it is sure to wash out in a corner! True!!....My first trike had less than 50lbs on the front wheel,,,,hard compond wide tires on the back.....I simply learned to do controled slides useing the thottle for control....I could throw the rear out ,, side slide,,line up the desired street ,,add throttle,, and thats a 90`turn....Try THAT with you car or bike!!,,,,, I aslo would like to mention the FUN factor.....more smiles per mile than anything else Iv encountered....and the girls just luv it (and me,I hope)....And I get to park up front with all the other motorcycles....(insurance not required, so I can afford to drive more than one at a time) ...I have some of my trikes posted on the BTW (Brotheres of the Third Wheel) site....Trikerdon has hundreds of trike pics on his site....and no two are alike!!....TROY,,,keeping VWs and trikeing alive in Tampa
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Hey Folks, what's going on here?
All i have told you about is a very personal experience
a close friend of mine had near lake Ebni, Swabian forest, Germany.
I have not at all been talking about my own opinion. Not yet!
But if you are really asking for that so kindly,
here we go, greetings Dietmar Wischmeyer:
Trikes
Du sitzt meinetwegen irgendwo in einer Eisdiele und schlabberst 'n Hawaiibecker in die Runkel. Plötzlich: Ein Höllenlärm, wie ein gefolterter Käfermotor. Was dann aber auftaucht ist kein vermöbelter VW, sondern ein Teil, das auszieht, wie ein fisseliger Schwanz mit fetten drehenden Eiern dran. Vorn auf dem Schwanz sitzt breitbeinig ein Fertigprodukt aus dem Sonnenstudio und hinten zwischen den rotierenden Gummitestikeln zwei kreischende Shampooverkäuferinnen. So jagen die frisierten Pestbraken dauernd im Kreis herum duch die City, bis auch jeder kapiert hat : "Ey guck mal, hier fährt ein Arschloch".
Komplett daneben sind die rasenden Gemächte ja schon deshalb, weil du für diesen Chromwolpertinger aus Choppergabel und Boxerarsch nicht mal Führerschenklasse 1 brauchst. So kann jeder Büroschleimer am Wochenende mal seinen aufgemotzten Honda Diktator inner Garage stehen lassen, und sich den krakelenden Ersatzlümmel beim Trikeverleiher ziehen. Das einzige, was du gegen diese dummen Säcke machen kannst, ist immer, wenn sie irgendwo auftauchen, sofort mit Scheiße beschmeißen. Die dicken Kluten mit Hühnerkacke voll in die gebräunten Fressen, bis auch den gefärbten Trullas aufm Rücksitz der Kloakensaft aus der toupierten Matte sabbert. Nur die kriegen keine Scheiße ann Kopf, die freiwillig einen Anhänger hinter sich her ziehen, auf dem steht:"Ich bin ein Arschloch" oder nachweisen können, daß ihr Intelligenzquotient nicht höher ist als die Außentemperatur.
http://www.plattenguelle.de/html/texte.html
non German speakers, just copy and paste the whole text into http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn to get an idea of it.
Hope you feel better soon.
Greetings
Stephan
All i have told you about is a very personal experience
a close friend of mine had near lake Ebni, Swabian forest, Germany.
I have not at all been talking about my own opinion. Not yet!
But if you are really asking for that so kindly,
here we go, greetings Dietmar Wischmeyer:
Trikes
Du sitzt meinetwegen irgendwo in einer Eisdiele und schlabberst 'n Hawaiibecker in die Runkel. Plötzlich: Ein Höllenlärm, wie ein gefolterter Käfermotor. Was dann aber auftaucht ist kein vermöbelter VW, sondern ein Teil, das auszieht, wie ein fisseliger Schwanz mit fetten drehenden Eiern dran. Vorn auf dem Schwanz sitzt breitbeinig ein Fertigprodukt aus dem Sonnenstudio und hinten zwischen den rotierenden Gummitestikeln zwei kreischende Shampooverkäuferinnen. So jagen die frisierten Pestbraken dauernd im Kreis herum duch die City, bis auch jeder kapiert hat : "Ey guck mal, hier fährt ein Arschloch".
Komplett daneben sind die rasenden Gemächte ja schon deshalb, weil du für diesen Chromwolpertinger aus Choppergabel und Boxerarsch nicht mal Führerschenklasse 1 brauchst. So kann jeder Büroschleimer am Wochenende mal seinen aufgemotzten Honda Diktator inner Garage stehen lassen, und sich den krakelenden Ersatzlümmel beim Trikeverleiher ziehen. Das einzige, was du gegen diese dummen Säcke machen kannst, ist immer, wenn sie irgendwo auftauchen, sofort mit Scheiße beschmeißen. Die dicken Kluten mit Hühnerkacke voll in die gebräunten Fressen, bis auch den gefärbten Trullas aufm Rücksitz der Kloakensaft aus der toupierten Matte sabbert. Nur die kriegen keine Scheiße ann Kopf, die freiwillig einen Anhänger hinter sich her ziehen, auf dem steht:"Ich bin ein Arschloch" oder nachweisen können, daß ihr Intelligenzquotient nicht höher ist als die Außentemperatur.
http://www.plattenguelle.de/html/texte.html
non German speakers, just copy and paste the whole text into http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn to get an idea of it.
Hope you feel better soon.
Greetings
Stephan
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You sits on my account somewhere in an ice-cream parlor and schlabberst 'n Hawaiibecker into the Runkel. Suddenly: A hell noise, like a tortured beetle engine. Which does not emerge then however is a vermoebelter VOLKSWAGEN, but a part, which takes off, like a fisseliger tail with fat turning eggs to. In front on the tail breitbeinig a finished product from the Sonnenstudio sits and in the back between the rotary Gummitestikeln two kreischende shampoo shop assistants. Thus the combed Pestbraken hunts the town center continuously in the circle around duch, until also everyone understood: "Ey look times, here drives a Arschloch". Completely beside it is the racing Gemaechte already, because you for this Chromwolpertinger from Choppergabel and Boxerarsch times do not leader-give-let 1 need. Thus each Bueroschleimer can on weekend times internal garage stand let his aufgemotzten Honda dictator, and the krakelenden Ersatzluemmel with the Trikeverleiher to pull itself. The only one, which you can make against these stupid bags, is always, if they emerge somewhere, immediately with poop beschmeissen. The thick Kluten with chicken sh*t fully into the gebraeunten foods, until also the colored Trullas oversize rear seat of the Kloakensaft from the toupierten mat sabbert. Wars no sh*t ann head, which pull voluntarily a trailer ago behind itself, on steht:"Ich are only a Arschloch" or to prove it can that their intelligence quotient is not higher than the outside temperature.
Per the aforementioned Babelfish ... hmmm ... I think I'll have to re-read this a few times (asterisks added)
Per the aforementioned Babelfish ... hmmm ... I think I'll have to re-read this a few times (asterisks added)
AKA clearsurf
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Hi Dave
Wischmeyer is using a crude type of North German slang,
something parallel to London cockney.
the man is telling a story comparing the beautiful shape (?) of a trike
with the combination of a phallic symbol and some big rubber balls.
whatever, a Trike is the exact combination of major disadvantages:
gotta drive it like a car in traffic, look for parking space, doesn't move etc.
and is dangerous like a cycle, you sit in the rain, can't ride in winter.
pure waste of money, time, effort and materials.
Triker Troy, Don, McTrike, and whatever the name is:
The only reason to finally accept a Trike is as a wheelchair
for a Hell's angel who suffered a major motorcycle crash.
But a correct 81er would rather walk on crutches than driving a Volks Wagon Trike.
I haven't really wanted to tell, but you have asked for- just my 2 cents
Stephan
Wischmeyer is using a crude type of North German slang,
something parallel to London cockney.
the man is telling a story comparing the beautiful shape (?) of a trike
with the combination of a phallic symbol and some big rubber balls.
whatever, a Trike is the exact combination of major disadvantages:
gotta drive it like a car in traffic, look for parking space, doesn't move etc.
and is dangerous like a cycle, you sit in the rain, can't ride in winter.
pure waste of money, time, effort and materials.
Triker Troy, Don, McTrike, and whatever the name is:
The only reason to finally accept a Trike is as a wheelchair
for a Hell's angel who suffered a major motorcycle crash.
But a correct 81er would rather walk on crutches than driving a Volks Wagon Trike.
I haven't really wanted to tell, but you have asked for- just my 2 cents
Stephan
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Its such a sad limited world you must live in....Iv had show winning harleys.. driven AA/FD...done lots of different motorized sports.. as well as being well educated.... The attitude of someones "stuff" is crap...is crap itself....and I guess what ever you have must be SO much better!!....Iv spent 3 years in your beutiful, restritive country....there is no legal way you can match the creativiy we are abel to enjoy in our free country...That doesnt make us better,,just more oppertunity...BUT to belittle anothers pasion, is really to belittle yourself....TROY,,,likeing living in the United States
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Hey Troy!TRIKERTROY wrote:Its such a sad limited world you must live in....Iv had show winning harleys.. driven AA/FD...done lots of different motorized sports.. as well as being well educated.... The attitude of someones "stuff" is crap...is crap itself....and I guess what ever you have must be SO much better!!....Iv spent 3 years in your beutiful, restritive country....there is no legal way you can match the creativiy we are abel to enjoy in our free country...That doesnt make us better,,just more oppertunity...BUT to belittle anothers pasion, is really to belittle yourself....TROY,,,likeing living in the United States
Keep cool! What kind of is the problem you seem to have?
Restrictions, Creativity, what are you talking about?
You can drive your sacred Trike here, you can even build one on your own.
And about driving, yes driving, not show- i ride a BMW flat twin almost every day.
I ride it for my own, not for my neighbor's pleasure.
It suits my personal needs much better than a show winning HD.
Once again, I enjoy to ride, not to show off and impress others.
That was exactly my motivation to point out pros and cons of a Trike.
You are talking about having lived in Germany?
Be invited to be my guest, i will show you my Germany.
The cities, the villages, and many winding roads in between, nice rides.
Have fun driving your Trike on the sraight streets of Florida,
i am right now starting for a three hours ride on my bike in rural south Germany,
where you have troubles to find a straight street between two curves longer than half a mile.
greetings
Stephan
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Much of a trike's stability is in the front end geometry, homebuilts that use a motorcycle front end are usually hard to turn in a curve.
There's a thing called RAKE AND TRAIL, basically its the distance on the ground from a point straight down your fork tubes measured back to a point directly verticaly down from your axle. if you can get clost to 3" you can steer those curves with two fingers ( like power steering ) if you just weld on a wacked off cycle front end youl need 2-men to turn that monster in a curve.
You can dial in your rake/trail by using an offset tripple tree or by building your own front end
Springer forks have a more favorable rake/trail by offsetting the wheel farther out ahead of the down tubes, and thier fairly easy to build using 1.25"pipe and .5" steel plate with coil over shocks.
There's a thing called RAKE AND TRAIL, basically its the distance on the ground from a point straight down your fork tubes measured back to a point directly verticaly down from your axle. if you can get clost to 3" you can steer those curves with two fingers ( like power steering ) if you just weld on a wacked off cycle front end youl need 2-men to turn that monster in a curve.
You can dial in your rake/trail by using an offset tripple tree or by building your own front end
Springer forks have a more favorable rake/trail by offsetting the wheel farther out ahead of the down tubes, and thier fairly easy to build using 1.25"pipe and .5" steel plate with coil over shocks.
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Rake and trail most readily corelate to the castor of an autos front end geometry. To say "if you just weld on a wacked off cycle front endyoul need 2-men to turn that monster in a curve..." is a rather broad statement. Most builders of VW powerred trikes I know, take particular car in frame alignment and geometry. Not to say there aren't some odd balls out there, that don't know poop from shineola, and build to look cool. But safe and good handling trikes are made every day. A GOOD handling trike is by NO means an automobile, and it has its own set of operating parameters. In all honesty, you can't compare a bug to a "bobtailed" tractor, any more than you can a trike to a motorcycle or a car. To ride a trike, requires a learning curve...you don't just jump on and become an expert, and yes, people do get hurt in this learning curve....how many of us had minor or major "boo boos" when still a novice behind 4 wheels, or up on 2?jacandsyb wrote:Much of a trike's stability is in the front end geometry, homebuilts that use a motorcycle front end are usually hard to turn in a curve.
There's a thing called RAKE AND TRAIL, basically its the distance on the ground from a point straight down your fork tubes measured back to a point directly verticaly down from your axle. if you can get clost to 3" you can steer those curves with two fingers ( like power steering ) if you just weld on a wacked off cycle front end youl need 2-men to turn that monster in a curve.
You can dial in your rake/trail by using an offset tripple tree or by building your own front end
Springer forks have a more favorable rake/trail by offsetting the wheel farther out ahead of the down tubes, and thier fairly easy to build using 1.25"pipe and .5" steel plate with coil over shocks.
A trike is not for everyone, no more so than a motorcycle is... But please don't condemn that which you've never owned or ridden, just at the say so of a freind. Or even at the mis-fortune of a freind...try to take ALL points into account:
how much experience did he have on a trike?
was the trike built safely?
was the trike built correctly?
was he pushing beyond his skill limitations?
was he pushing beyond the design parameters of the trike?
I remember the years when, at least in my part of the country, a vw was a death trap...every one that wrecked was because of an inferior rear end design...So let's cut a little slack to the trikes, and grade each one on it's own merits, if we have the qualifications to do so....