Plans for a Formula super vee?

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Plans for a Formula super vee?

Postby jhelgesen » Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:43 am

Anyone know if plans are available to build a formula super vee?

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Postby Kubel Nick » Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:08 am

Formula Vees is a serious category in racing, they're not kit cars. You can buy chassis and bodies from Formula Vee manufacturers, alot cheaper to buy a used completed one though. They have alot of rules and regulations to follow like any other formula car race series, but a few has been modified for street use. Do a google search for formula vee for more info on where, how much, etc...
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Postby jhelgesen » Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:29 am

Yeah, I'm not looking for a kit car, I want to build a race car. Probably auto x it.
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Postby Shadowbug » Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:34 am

super vee is a different class from formula vee

if you want to build a one off racer for auto-x check out
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Postby jhelgesen » Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:22 am

I guess its a formula vee I'm looking for.

I'll check in those forums, see if anyone has some drawings.

Thanks for the link.
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Postby ck85abc » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:04 pm

Go talk to your local engineering college. There students might be building one.
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Postby Guest » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:50 pm

I'm assuming that cars that are being refered to are the formula SAE cars that a lot of engineering schools build to participate in a contest held in Detriot every year. Due to legal issues you aren't going to get much out of any school (especially a frame).

If you are looking for a formula vee frame and don't mind a little drive, I know of one in Rhode Island that the owner would be willing to get rid of cheep. Good luck
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Postby MASSIVE TYPE IV » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:36 am

Supervee is TIV powered! :shock:
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Postby jhelgesen » Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:04 am

Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming that cars that are being refered to are the formula SAE cars that a lot of engineering schools build to participate in a contest held in Detriot every year. Due to legal issues you aren't going to get much out of any school (especially a frame).

If you are looking for a formula vee frame and don't mind a little drive, I know of one in Rhode Island that the owner would be willing to get rid of cheep. Good luck


How cheap is cheap, I have relatives up there.

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Postby Kelley » Sat Feb 28, 2004 8:34 am

there was a formula vee for sale on the Samba last week, listed in either high performance parts or other vehicles 8)

here it is

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/index.mv?alert+200402011443273926
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Postby Marc » Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:12 pm

MASSIVE TYPE IV wrote:Supervee is TIV powered! :shock:


They were, until the restrictor plates came off the water-pumper ones and the IVs could no longer keep up. Nobody, not even you, could make a 1600cc IV competitive with a 1600cc Rabbit.
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Postby Kubel Nick » Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:57 pm

Type 4's never had 1600cc, they started from 1800s. Besides this isn't a Type4 vs water cooled thread :roll:
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Postby Marc » Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:25 am

Kubel Nick wrote:Type 4's never had 1600cc, they started from 1800s. Besides this isn't a Type4 vs water cooled thread :roll:

Do some research before you roll your eyes at me :wink:
You are obviously completely ignorant of the Super Vee rules or history...and the fact that the original production IV was a 1700 (90x66, 1679cc).
The class was conceived as a step up from Formula Vee, allowing use of more modern components (especially the suspension). They were limited to 1600cc, assuming that Type I engines would be used. The IV was allowed in through the back door provided the displacement was still 1600cc, which was accomplished either by destroking a 1700 or by using specially-made smaller-bore cylinders (I had a truckload of these parts once, gave them all to a guy running local club races in an obsolete SuperVee since I had no use for them). When VW came out with water-cooled cars, they pressured for the Rabbit engine to be allowed (or they'd pull their backing for the series). Early testing showed that if the Rabbit was permitted, everyone's setup would be worthless overnight so the Rabbit engines were restricted for a couple of years to allow guys to use up their IV stuff. Anyone who could see the writing on the wall built a water-cooled car as soon as they could swing it.
Anyone looking for plans to build a Super Vee (that IS what the thread's about, right?) should be aware that all he's likely to find is water-pumper setups. On the other hand, there are probably still quite a few retired IV-powered cars sitting around collecting dust. A web site that had some good contact info was http://www.bobbridges.com/yspect8/hist_ ... pervee.htm but it's down, Google still has it cached at
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:HR ... n&ie=UTF-8 but none of the links work.
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Postby Kubel Nick » Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:31 pm

I meant 1700's, but I didn't know they destroked them to 1600s. I'll step up and admit I'm wrong on that.

"Nobody, not even you, could make a 1600cc IV competitive with a 1600cc Rabbit."

"Besides this isn't a Type4 vs water cooled thread :roll: "

I was rolling my eyes on your cheap shot against Jake as this isn't the thread to compare engines performances, it's a thread about formula vees...
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Postby Marc » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:00 pm

Kubel Nick wrote:...I was rolling my eyes on your cheap shot against Jake as this isn't the thread to compare engines performances, it's a thread about formula vees...


That wasn't intended as a shot at Jake - the best, most well-funded teams couldn't do it either...
Since the only Super Vees still powered by IVs (in this country, anyway) are antiques, I think the comparison is relevant - sorry that you don't.

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