2109cc turbo build...

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2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:10 pm

Hi to all,

I am recently upgrading my engine to a 2109cc boosted bug.

It has:
94mm A pistons (wasn't planning to go stroker) :?
76mm crank
CB panchito heads 40x35 61cc
Fk-8 cam
Waiting on CB 5.4 h-beam rods...out of stock

I was shooting for 8.5 comp with .060 deck just using a copper shim on top of the head. The piston sticks out .020. So, all this reading on .040 deck has me wondering if I can go for it and end up with 8.8 comp. On my 1776cc I had .070 from scratch, so I left it like that. I would like to run .050 the highest. Any factors I should be concerned with?

The car will be boosting 10-15psi tops. No strip or drag, just street and going to shows around the island. Will have intercooler and w/m injection.

Thanks,
1970 VW Beetle with 2109cc turbo with MS-II v3.0, wasted spark with MSD coilpack, dual table, launch control and 3.88 tranny. All done by me...:) t03 running 48lb. Injectors, Intercooler, Water/Meth injection at 15psi.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by chriswillrise » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:58 am

that cam is too big, youll take forever to build boost because of the overlap.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Chip Birks » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:48 am

That cam is extremely turbo proven, and loved by many vw turbo users. You are right in a way though, it will want to rev. Almost every turbo motor I've run has had fk8 or larger type cams. The ones with less than that and tiny turbos were definitely the meh combos. I'm pretty happy waiting a second or two for some turbo spool and a little rpm. It gives me a second to tighten my grip on the steering wheel before things get exciting :wink:

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:17 pm

Chip,

So go with the fk-8, what's your opinion on the deck height being .040. What deck are you running?

Thanks,
1970 VW Beetle with 2109cc turbo with MS-II v3.0, wasted spark with MSD coilpack, dual table, launch control and 3.88 tranny. All done by me...:) t03 running 48lb. Injectors, Intercooler, Water/Meth injection at 15psi.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Chip Birks » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:29 pm

I have run .040 before. It worked just fine. I think mine is at .05 now. Still works just fine. I can't say for sure on the fk-8. But if I had it, I would definitely run it. It suits my driving style though.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:42 pm

Chip,

Thanks for the quick reply.

On my install .040 yields an 8.8 CR, .050 yields 8.6 and .060 is 8.3 which was my initial target. Since I didn't want to shim and use spacer why not go .040 with the .060 cyl shim and call it quits. So, I can run the 8.8 CR down the road with the .040 DH and the valves won't touch?

If so, I'll just drop the .060 copper shim.
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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Chip Birks » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:08 pm

Valve clearance is something you will need to verify on your own. Too many variables there.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:20 pm

Yeah, I thought so...

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by chriswillrise » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:03 am

Chip Birks wrote:That cam is extremely turbo proven, and loved by many vw turbo users. You are right in a way though, it will want to rev. Almost every turbo motor I've run has had fk8 or larger type cams. The ones with less than that and tiny turbos were definitely the meh combos. I'm pretty happy waiting a second or two for some turbo spool and a little rpm. It gives me a second to tighten my grip on the steering wheel before things get exciting :wink:
We must of set up my buddys car wrong then, we basically could get more that 5lbs in 1st and 2nd gear with that cam. we just put in a ron lummus cam which was much smaller and we can hit our boost target

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by dragvw2180 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:14 am

Like Chip I like the FK8 , enough that we put it in my sons car. We opted for 8.2 compression , has a bigger tuning window than the higher compression . My personal street turbo engine has a FK10 , drives like a stock bug until I roll onto the throttle then it turns into a monster, LOL. I do like copper head gaskets and I do recommend them . Mike

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:05 pm

Hi to all,

I sent the rotating parts for balancing...can't wait to get them back to start the cam degree and rocker geometry setup.

I was thinking of putting the ACE copperhead disc instead of the normal disc I got at home. I took off a 6 puck which messed up the flywheel. I had it resurfaced yesterday. Car will be street only running 15 psi tops.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Chip Birks » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:40 pm

You might push it with the copperhead. I ran one with 180 NA hp, worked great, tried again with probably 250whp and a stage 2 and it would drive through it as soon as boost came on. I have a Diamondback now, it holds pretty well with my stage 3 pp.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:34 am

Hi,

I have been fiddling around with the cam lift of the FK-8 which states .383 lift and with 1.4 ratio rockers comes out to .536 allegedly. When testing I get .566 lift no matter what I do.

Anyone know what the problem is?

I want to finish the rocker geometry but I this is confusing me since total lift should of been .536 or am I incorrect?

Thanks,
1970 VW Beetle with 2109cc turbo with MS-II v3.0, wasted spark with MSD coilpack, dual table, launch control and 3.88 tranny. All done by me...:) t03 running 48lb. Injectors, Intercooler, Water/Meth injection at 15psi.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by risk » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:15 pm

Maybe the 1.4 rocker is more like 1.47 ? You could try to measure both sides of the rocker and calculate the actual ratio, but it wouldn't be dead on.

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Re: 2109cc turbo build...

Post by Volky » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:42 pm

Risk,

I'll see how to do it.

Thanks,
1970 VW Beetle with 2109cc turbo with MS-II v3.0, wasted spark with MSD coilpack, dual table, launch control and 3.88 tranny. All done by me...:) t03 running 48lb. Injectors, Intercooler, Water/Meth injection at 15psi.

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