2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up

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2,23 ltr type 4 turbo build-up

Post by Wally » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:11 pm

As I am in the process of building up my new type 4 turbo, I'd thought I'd share some parts pics and thoughts here.

Bore: 98mm (cast alu cylinders, plasma coated, one-off's)
Pistons: JE custom ones.
Stroke: 74mm (Oettinger)
Rods: R&R
Heads: TP billet with type 1 port orientation and Ti-valves
Head studs: Raceware
Cam: Pauter, off-the-shelf
Rockers: Pauter billet 1,48 ratio
Lifters: TP type 1 tool steels, light-weight version
Pushrods: TP Dual tapered alu
Turbo: Borg-Warner 7670 (same as last years)

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Most important job left to get done is having the seats and guides installed. Will have to wait a bit (unfortunately) before I can send the heads out to get that done.

As I am using the same turbo as was on the old 2,20 ltr (103x66) engine, I can't wait to see how the torque lines will compare on similar boost levels.

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Re: 2,23 ltr - not so cheap - type 4 turbo build-up

Post by Vee Dub Nut » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:16 pm

Can't wait to see the results on this! Looks like you have another very cool build going together!
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Post by juki48 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:04 pm

awesome! what are the cylinders coated with? just curious.
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Post by sved » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:54 pm

That is the best engine porn, I have seen this year. So far

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Post by Piledriver » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:26 am

juki48 wrote:awesome! what are the cylinders coated with? just curious.

WAG:(wild guess)
http://articles.sae.org/7624/

Would be a fraction of the cost of nickasil, use std tooling and compatible with ~all existing ring technologies.
Rework would almost be trivial once you had a process down.

(you could use this on pistons & combustion chambers too...)

You can plasma spray darn near any alloy (or even some impossible to alloy combinations of ...stuff) on just about anything.
I was wondering why that wouldn't work.
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Post by Wally » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:59 am

Pile: I've read some articles on the industrial process side of plasma coating as well, but these aren't exactly done like that I understood.
These went with a batch of other race stuff that was coated at the same time and actually costed more then nikasil coating would have... Only a few small-numbersportscars have had this done in series. One of them being the Veyron..(not kidding)
Should be even better for it. They had great result with this special coating and the japanes piston rings that were ordered with them.
The cylinders were actually meant for the Apfelbeck project, but as these sat already for a while and I was ready for an engine now, I was allowed to use them :wink:
I think they should hold over 2 bar of boost easily 8)
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Post by Piledriver » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:49 am

Cool, hopefully the cost will come down greatly once in wide use.

There are also some "flame spray" coatings that may also be of use here and there.
(similar process idea, lower temperature)

for many uses it makes better (and cost effective) repairs than welding, and you can "spray" a wide variety of stuff.

Visualize a 3D printer spraying aluminum. Or Titanium.
(such animals exist)
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Post by juki48 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:32 am

I have designed many parts that are in production using plasma spray or HVOF to apply Stellite 6, Tribaloy T400, T800, and chromium carbide, which is why I asked. the third slide on this page, http://swaintech.com/ is my double poppet for class 8 diesel truck EGR valves.
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Post by joosep » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:13 pm

When will be the deadline when it should be ready ? I don't know how to wait for the result :D
Something happened or U sold your last engine?

If U have any more information available I would enjoy it :) (Something like how far U r going to spin it or how much cam it gets.

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Post by Wally » Tue Mar 18, 2014 1:42 pm

Very cool Riley!
I love the educated cowd here! but you're way over my head with that material spec :wink:

Joosep,
I want to drive to england this summer, so there you have it...It won;t be fully tuned then I think though..
Cam is somewhere in between en web 86b en 86c comparitive wise. Don;t know the exact grind letter anymore. :roll:
It will spin as far as its still making power. Considering how well these heads should flow and the light valve train, that could be pretty high :twisted:

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Post by Kalle » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:13 am

Wally wrote:Very cool Riley!
Considering how well these heads should flow and the light valve train, that could be pretty high :twisted:
Hi Wally,

Since you mention flow. How much do those heads flow?

Thanks!

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Post by Wally » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:41 am

These have not been flowed in type 4 form, but when the valves and valve seats are installed, I will have them flow tested myself ;-)

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Post by Kalle » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:47 am

Wally wrote:These have not been flowed in type 4 form, but when the valves and valve seats are installed, I will have them flow tested myself ;-)
Good, then you dont have to guess the power output and just make sure you build the engine accordingly. No need for a 200+ cfm intake channels if the goal is only 350hp :)

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Post by Wally » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:50 pm

It was a major day last week when both my friends and my heads went out to get valve seats, guides and (Ti) valves installed!

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Hope they get back soon (few weeks) and we can finally start building something!
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Post by sweetlokin66 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:45 pm

Nice :twisted:

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