Really off road - like, in water !

Offroad VW based vehicles have problems/insights all their own. Not to mention the knowledge gained in VW durability.
Mr Slug
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Really off road - like, in water !

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Hello, New guy here.

I am led to understand that some of you guys may like to take a look at my project Beetle.

Here we are.

I have been trying to build a VW166 type vehicle, using a stock Beetle as a basis and donor. Been on the project in my spare time for about six months, I recon another six months left to completion.

But, as with all these projects, I could use a bit of help and maybe some assistance with parts.

The ride height is giving me some problems, and I figured maybe I could use Trekker/Thing reduction boxes, tubes and shafts. Maybe trekker/Thing spindles up front ? could I just use the spindles, or would I need the whole front beam.

These might sound like dumb questions, but be mindful that 6 months ago I had never even took a close look at a Veedubbaya, and this is practically a vertical learning curve for me.

Some pictures for your amusement.


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I don't have access to a real VW166, so have used a plastic model and whatever pictures I can get get off the Interweb, and books.

This is only a very rough working prototype, I hope to be able to make these to order in the future. If that happens, I would take the trouble to borrow a real one to copy.

The most tiresome, but perhaps important task is a reasonably accurate assessment of the shape and size. I have done a lot of internet research, and have several books and pictures of VW 166. The most useful item is the model.

To decide the shapes I bent wire to suit the model, then carefully drew around the wire on a piece of paper. then, by disecting multiple tangents that I drew on the curves, the centre of the radius can be found. Measureing back to the arc gives a figure and that can be calcalated up to full scale. It is a little tricky because many of the shapes have several centres, and different radius, however, It is one of the few things on the project that I do have formal training at. I am a bricklayer and it is the same method that bricklayers use to set out the formers under arched openings like doorways etc.

By useing pi, the lengths of the steel sections can be calcalated into a cutting list befor bending. It is of course also possible to calcalate out the surface areas of steel, and for that matter the volume within the vessel. I guess Mr Porsche had to do that to figure the displacement to weight ratio to confirm that it would all actually float. The way I figure it - if his did - mine will !.........as long as I am fairly accurate.

Some pictures of the process.

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All very laborious, But neccersary. It is much easier and cheaper to alter or throw away a piece of card or ply then a sheet of steel.

Rear bulkhead / engine firewall.

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Every part of the project starts with research - that generally means the interweb - and stealing pictures. This picture was copied from a VW166 hulk that is being restored in Germany.

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Then the model is measured, and my collection of photographs studied. Next I measure the hull and figure out a size for the seat.

Next step is a wooden mockup - that can also double as a former.

Then, hired a pipe bender. (Actually this one is for electrical conduit)

Then off we go - bending, shapeing the pipework. Welding that together, and constantly checking the fit.
Making cardboard templates and eventually steel sheets to clad the frames. Punching holes, welding, grinding, you get the idea.

The pictures kinda explain the chronology of events.

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Here is one of the pictures I work from, and a photograph of the model I scale up from. In the middle is my own beetle/166 creation.
A fair comparison I feel. What do you guys think ?

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Finally, a coat of primer - phew !..........

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More pictures, I try to copy as close as possible to the original 166 design, but allow myself a little tolerance to accommadate the facility to use more modern, but still VW, parts.

Here are a couple of pictures of the mudguards and rear cowling being made -as you can see, I just have some pretty unsophisticated tooling :lol:

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:shock: :shock:

Amazing.
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Qurtys Lyn
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I would be happy with half the skill you have shown us in these pictures. :shock: :shock:

Amazing.
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Great work! Great pics! :D

Thanks for sharing and welcome to STF!! A lot of folks will love this project.

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All that in only six months? A true thinker, artist, and craftsman you are. And only six months to go? Very cool project.
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Thanks for the great welcome, and encouragement chaps !

I was encouraged by 'Baja5' ( or at least one of you 'Baja boys' :lol: ) - he tells me you
are a great bunch of highly skilled builders and dirt diggers...........very pleased to meet you.

Regards Slug.
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Couple questions if I might. Where will the maiden voyage be? And are those tracks in the back of your first picture for another future project?
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Baja4 wrote:Couple questions if I might. Where will the maiden voyage be? And are those tracks in the back of your first picture for another future project?
Ha !........good questions.
Well, I guess for you colonial types, the 'maiden voyage' will be on youtube, but i guess you may well be among the first to witness the 'maiden voyage/sinking'

As for the tracks ? - no , not a future project, but more spare parts for a project from the past.

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Thanks for bringing it over Mr. Slug. Top notch work.
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This one needs to go in the sticky build thread.
Hot, humid air is less dense than cooler, drier air. This can allow a golf ball to fly through the air with greater ease, as there won't be as much resistance on the ball.
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i call shotgun! or machinegun!
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bajaherbie wrote:i call shotgun! or machinegun!
Get in line herbie. :D
Hot, humid air is less dense than cooler, drier air. This can allow a golf ball to fly through the air with greater ease, as there won't be as much resistance on the ball.
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amazing project and work
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