How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

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How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by petew » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:30 pm

So, I was thinking about entering an event. Problem being, you have to have run an 11:99 to bother applying. How much power would I need to run an 11:99 in a 1916lbs street car? It's running a 1600 turbo/EFI motor.

Is it doable or am I dreaming?

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by petew » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:41 pm

This calculator tells me 223hp...

http://www.prosystemsracing.com/calculate.html

Is that about right?

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Clonebug » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:33 pm

crank or wheel hp???
Stripped66 wrote:The point wasn't to argue air temps with the current world record holder, but to dispel the claim that the K03 is wrapped up at 150 HP. It's not.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by petew » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:53 am

Ummm, dunno.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Chip Birks » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:06 pm

Rodney Adams here in the US just went 11.4 with his 1600 setup. His car is almost stock weight. He runs a blow through Holley 2 barrel carb setup. Not a lot of big dollar parts inside the engine. Its all whats bolted on and what its burning. He runs e85 and a locked out distributor. Look him up at radesigns.com. He is a good guy and knows his stuff.

I went 11.8@119 a few years back having just made 278whp. I did it at 4500ft altitude. I also know that the car isn't setup to be a racecar. It had stock suspension other than ride height at the time. Lots to be gained by tuning that kind of stuff.
Those calculators are a best of circumstances kind of thing. Mario shows the opposite results. He went 11.5@115 after just making 236whp on the dyno. Now his car is definitely lighter than mine, but not by tons, but i know his suspension was a little more thought out than mine. His gearing is more street designed than mine is though too, using a stock 4th gear, wheras mine is a little shorter, not much, but a little.

Just stuff to think about. VW turbo cars seem to usually need more than the calculators state. At least that's my experience.

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Post by petew » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:44 pm

Well I guess I should start by taking it down the strip and see what it does as is. Right?

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Chip Birks » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:24 pm

Yes sir

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Post by Chip Birks » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm

petew wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:44 pm
Well I guess I should start by taking it down the strip and see what it does as is. Right?
What do you have for a gear box? Stock? Gonna run slicks? A stock box won't last long once you start trying to dip into 11s territory.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by sideshow » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:07 pm

petew wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:30 pm
So, I was thinking about entering an event. Problem being, you have to have run an 11:99 to bother applying. How much power would I need to run an 11:99 in a 1916lbs street car? It's running a 1600 turbo/EFI motor.

Is it doable or am I dreaming?
You will need gold platinum titanium and black card power! A broom and dust pan, trailer, tow vehicle and no need for it to be used as a street car. You must also enjoy short drives.

This of course my observations of a much lighter full fendered beetle that is plated and 10.90. I last saw him in WoodBurn where he twisted both sides (splines into the drum) ultra high dollar unbreakable finish racing axle. If you vehicle weighs more (like bumpers or all the paint) or it is your first try, expect it to cost a lot more.
Yeah some may call it overkill, but you can't have too much overkill.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by petew » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:01 am

Chip Birks wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm
What do you have for a gear box? Stock? Gonna run slicks? A stock box won't last long once you start trying to dip into 11s territory.
I've got a late 1300 swingaxle box (AB code) with a superdiff, thrust plate and 4:12 gears. My builder told me no burnouts.

Dunno about tyres. Haven't thought too hard about it.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Chip Birks » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:39 pm

sideshow wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:07 pm
petew wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:30 pm
So, I was thinking about entering an event. Problem being, you have to have run an 11:99 to bother applying. How much power would I need to run an 11:99 in a 1916lbs street car? It's running a 1600 turbo/EFI motor.

Is it doable or am I dreaming?
You will need gold platinum titanium and black card power! A broom and dust pan, trailer, tow vehicle and no need for it to be used as a street car. You must also enjoy short drives.

This of course my observations of a much lighter full fendered beetle that is plated and 10.90. I last saw him in WoodBurn where he twisted both sides (splines into the drum) ultra high dollar unbreakable finish racing axle. If you vehicle weighs more (like bumpers or all the paint) or it is your first try, expect it to cost a lot more.
An 11.99 car could be a pretty reasonable street car. I did it with my old small turbo, smallish cam, and moderate boost on e85. Drove the car 40 miles there, swapped tires at the track ran the number and then drove it home.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Chip Birks » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:43 pm

https://youtu.be/rkBdkL76qy4

Here is the same car a few years later, this past summer.
Street car vs. Race car, please note who left second :wink: 12.1 at 105 dealing with some boost control issues.
https://youtu.be/Uv63xR1GXWk
Note the flashing win light on my opponents side. I think we both broke out by a bunch. I chased him down, caught him and put a fender on him.

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by petew » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:48 pm

Looks like a lot of fun. The Corvette owner must have been ticked off! :)

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Re: How much power do I need to run an 11:99?

Post by Chip Birks » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:28 am

He was pretty cool when I saw him a few weeks later. Happy to try for a rematch. We weren't able to do it. But it would have been fun. He put it in the 11s that next time out. Fast car.

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