Why did you pick the Type 4 conversion?

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Why did you pick the Type 4 conversion?

Post by tuna » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:04 am

This is for those of you who've done the Type 4 conversion and are enjoying it. I'm thinking about putting together a page on my web site with testimonials from those who have running Type 4 conversions. I'd like to include a picture of the car and the engine installed.

Here are some questions you can answer in your testimonial:

What made you decide on the Type 4? What specific trait attracted you to the Type 4? What are the general specs of your engine (nothing too detailed, just the facts)? Did you build your engine? Did anyone help you? Where did you get your T4 parts? Any shop really helpful?

These are all only suggestions. Just share what you want with others that may be considering the Type 4 conversion for their VW (or Porsche).

You can post here, and I will copy the text into my file. You can post pictures here or email me them. If you have any questions, ask here or email me. I'll be looking forward to seeing and reading your testimonials.

Tuna
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Re: Why did you pick the Type 4 conversion?

Post by samcat » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:36 am

Pictures soon, New engine is still being built.
I decided on a T4 as I wanted an engine that provided lots of torque and would live a long life. My first engine was a mildly warmed 2L (E grind cam, big heads, dell 40's). Purchased the first engine already constructed, but had oil pressure issues so stripped and rebuilt it with help from my Dad. T4 parts for the first engine came from JustKampers.co.uk, LA Performance and a local shop provided the correct sized bearings.
I have since sold that engine as I wanted something with a load more power and torque. I ordered a 2270 kit with all the extras from www.type4store.com (Jakes shop) and have nearly finished building it. This one has been all my own work, with some advice from my Dad (and Jake too).

The pull from the T4 engine is amazing, many of my friends have been shocked by how fast it does 60-110 (mph).

Old engine
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Pictures of new engine will be available this weekend... Although they wont be of it in the car.

Inside the case:
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Anymore info required feel free to email me, samcatchesides --at-- hotmail.com

Cheers,
Sam C
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Post by 914 Ghost » Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:55 am

Why Did I choose a T4?
--Have you priced parts for a 912 engine these days!? :lol:
I wanted something reliable, economical, easy to work on and I wanted to be able to buy parts when I needed them.
I was relucatant actually, but my experience with my 914- which ran flawless for 3.5 years with carbs, and had tons and tons of power, sold me on the T4 engine. My 912 engine went BAD (broken crank), and I needed a solution I could afford. After parting the rest of the engine, I bet I have only about $600 into my car on the road and running (and months and motnhs of work).
Stock 2.0 914 engine, Web186b Cam, 40mm Dellortos. I used the 914 3/4/5 gears inside my trans.
The thing is smooooth as silk, and has tons of power at about 2300 rpm all the way to 5500. I let a friend who has a big-bore in his 912 drive if for about a 45 mile trip on highway and thru city traffic, he said there was no comparison. IT would cost about $12k to make a stock 912 run the way the 2.0 does now, if its even possible, and I did it for about $1800.
And if it breaks, I could buy any junk yard T4 engine and be back on the road for nothing.
Just common Sense.
Bob O
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Post by tuna » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:17 pm

This is great stuff guys. I will have a great start for the page. Maybe today I will get the page started with these two entries.

As for the rest of you, come on folks, there are more of you out there. Share with the rest of the world why you did the conversion and how you did it.

Tuna
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Type 4: Secrets Revealed - https://type4secrets.blogspot.com/
Tom's Type 4 Corner - coming soon!
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Post by tuna » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:49 pm

Well, here's my first version of this page:

http://www.tunacan.net/t4/owners/

The page hasn't been integrated into the site, and things will be changed as I see fit. For now, this page gives you an idea of what I'm going after.

Sam and Bob, can you let me know what year your cars are? When you let me know, I will update the page.

To the rest of you, here's your chance to maybe help someone else. Let's show the world your Type 4 powered pride and joy.

Tuna
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Post by samcat » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:15 pm

Early 1973 1303 :)

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Post by 914 Ghost » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:51 am

Oh, year- 1968 SWB 912.
And here's a picture of what the gearing is like in the car.
4100 rpm at 101 mph. If the power peaks at say, 4700 and keeps up to 5500...you can do the math!
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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:59 am

You need a QUAD westach gauge where that stock clock is... Dual CHT, oil temp and pressure all in one..

I'll have em in stock in two weeks!

Then you can show everyone your 275 degree head temps while at 101 MPH-

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Post by 914 Ghost » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:26 am

I know!
That whole DTM system is horrible, I cant hardly cook a hotdog back there!

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Post by MASSIVE TYPE IV » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:57 am

Hot Pockets are better...

Wait till you see the temperature differentials I have been logging on the dyno with it recently- SWEET!

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Post by tuna » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:57 am

tuna wrote:Sam and Bob, can you let me know what year your cars are? When you let me know, I will update the page.
Thanks guys. I've updated the page and posted it. Your cars look great and are exactly what I wanted for that page.


As for the rest of you, anyone else want to share? How about those of you with a Cali conversion? Joe of the East? Eddie? I'd like to get as many as possible for that page.

Tuna
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Post by NextGen » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:36 pm

Why did I pick a T-4 conversion. Well the Introduction pages in my manual explains it in greater detail, but I will make is short. I wrote manual in 1990 because I felt I discovered the T-4 conversion and had to inform as many people I could that it existed.. At that time there was no picking. I do not take credit for being the first. There was Joe of Oregon Performance, Mike Sharp of Sharpbuilt, BAS in Germany and a few guys in other parts of the planet. It was just that we did not know the others existed. No internet !!!As I did my research and questioned the writers of HVW and VWTrends, I got feedback that there were bugs blasting around Europe with 914 engines.
OK, how I made my discovery. I worked in Manhattan next to Manhattan Porsche. Having 914’s I got friendly with the mechanics. One day I got a call, the mechanic said they were moving and they would sell me a 914 training engine. It never saw gas or oil, totally new just for training the mechanics. $250. I ran over put it on a dolly and rolled it to my office. When I had time I would use a forklift to keep it in the air as I took it apart to get it home. I wrecked my 914 soon after and was driving my bug. The bug had a slightly hopped up 1700. But after driving countless bugs I felt they were becoming a waste of money and time. I live in NY and as many of you may not know, NY is not NYC. NYC is only about 50 square miles. NY thousands of miles of mountains and hills, very green. Those hills was killing me and my VW’s. All I wanted was a bug that could push me and 4 passenger up a steep hill and not only be able to keep up with traffic but accelerate and pass other cars. I looked at the training engine that I tore down to bare block and put it next to a T-1 block and realize the blocks were almost the same size. Also the transmission mating bolt holes matched up. The major difference was the 914 had it’s blower on the crank which made it too long to fit in a bug. That was when the Cali-Style was born. I remembered that when I was looking for 914’s they all had well over 150k miles on the odometer. Man that car weighed more then a bug by about 300 lbs. and it went that far. Also the VW Buses 72 and later used the T-4 and they were much more reliable then the early buses and ever weighted more. The light went off in my head and I built my first T-4 Upright conversion. That engine is in the red bug at my site with over 60 k and it is running like new. After driving the car for the first time, I freaked out and was on a mission to let people know their was an alterative to building T-1’s that rarely lasted as they increased in engine size. Well I guess that is it. You guys have been carrying on the torch so I am resting and watching the T-4 revolution progress.

Joe
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Post by tuna » Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:01 pm

Joe,

Can you email me or post here a current picture of your car, and a current picture of your engine in the car? Whatever format is fine, just get it to me. I can't get the photos from your website, as it's a Flash presentation, and I know you've done some changes since then, like the exhaust and distributor. Two or three photos would be great, one at least of the car and at least one of the engine.

Check out the page now....
http://www.tunacan.net/t4/owners/

Thanks,

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Post by Bill K. » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:19 pm

Owner: Bill K, Sacramento CA
Car: 1970 Bug
Engine: 2270 cc, DTM

I had a T4 built by Jake Raby because I wanted at reliable high-performance engine. I bought the car when I was 16 and rebuilt the T1 a few times over 15 years of daily driving. I was able to keep it running, but not much more. I always wanted a Porsche and when I decided to rebuild the car, I went with the best I could afford. I new that specifying, procuring, and building my dream engine was more than I could handle. So in 2003, I took Jakes recommendation for the 2270 with ceramic lifters, 44 IDFs, Mallory Uni-Lite, and BAS exhaust. Jake exceeded my expectations with his product, delivery, and customer service.

Jake set me up with a transaxle geared for the engine and wheels. A traction bar from RLR and intermediate mount from Berg support the trans. Oil cooling and engine assessories were purchased from aircooled.net and CB Performance, both excellent vendors.

I've always driven a stock bug so I had no idea what I had gotten into with this engine. The torque is amazing. I built the car for turns and the torque is great for pulling through corners. While a T1 can do the same, I'm looking forward to years of trouble-free enjoyment with the T4.

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More at www.vwbughead.com

Enjoy,
Bill

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Post by tuna » Sun Jul 17, 2005 12:35 pm

Thanks Bill for sharing that. I've updated the page with your pics and text. It definitely looks good. 8)

Keep them coming folks, the entries are looking great and show the people out there that there are VWs and Porsches running the Type 4 conversion.

Tuna

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