before i go and buy a 210 flywheel

pantswagen · Post by **pantswagen** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:43 pm

can i not just roll up some 5mm aluminium square bar, and use it as a spacer and fit the 228mm flywheel. -

more importantly, does the weight of the engine sit in the trans recess - or is it all on the 4 bolts?

I like the idea that the flywheel is forged and offers more clamping.

dstar · Post by **dstar** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:47 pm

A birdie told me that you can take a 228 to your machinist
of choice and turn it down to work, but I don't know the *specifics*....

Don

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:17 pm

I will be updating my site with the information you need to use the 228. It's not impossible, but it does require some careful machining and fitting. I'll try to post it this evening.

Tuna

MASSIVE TYPE IV · Post by **MASSIVE TYPE IV** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:17 pm

Only *some* of the Wasser 228 flywheels are forged. None of the normal 228s are- they are all cast...

The 228 is my least favorite, especially because the pressure plate sucks and is heavy as hell.

pantswagen · Post by **pantswagen** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:20 pm

my point is, if i have to buy for £40 a 210 flywheel
AND a new clutch £77

£117

that then still needs to be taken to the engineers for cutting for the type 1 bearing

for the 10 quid he will charge me, is it just a case of taking 5mm from the
clutch surface and pressure plate - face

is 5mm the magic number?
is the ring gear in the correct location?
ie do i still need to space the starter 5mm?
and or do i take some out of the crank shaft to flywheel surface,-or indeed can i?

do i cut the flywheel clutch face with the p/plate face 5mm and then still
space the sarter 5mm, or do i use a late starter
i remember once fitting a late bus starter in a type 1 trans, and the starter pinion stuck out 5mm( i just ground it off

)
is that the starter i need , is its starter gear in a different location?
surely not, - i mean the ring gear position on all flywheels, must be the same?

is it just a case of getting the pressure plate in the trans by clearancing the flywheels face?
-means i wont have to buy a new clutch neither

pantswagen · Post by **pantswagen** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:24 pm

if its possible, to do it without cutting the trans
i'd prefer to do that - as yet another grinding disc exploded on me today

plus, i have noelastictrickery in the garage

dstar · Post by **dstar** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:28 pm

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SLOW DOWN!!!!

Tuna told ya he would put the info on his site!!

I understand that patience is a virtue, and sometimes we don't feel
virtuous...

but Tuna will do, as he says he will do.....

And I don't know of anyone other person with the info.......

DO a SEARCH! It has been posted here before.....

Don

pantswagen · Post by **pantswagen** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:43 pm

Patience, is a virtue,
Possess it if you can,
Never found in women,
But, ...always in a man.

spose i'll just have to wait then

whats it all about machining cast flywheels being prone to exploding?
is that all go-nads?

dstar · Post by **dstar** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:00 pm

pantswagen wrote: Patience, is a virtue,
Possess it if you can,
Never found in women,
But, ...always in a man.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

CHeerio!

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Don

tuna · Post by **tuna** » Thu Dec 09, 2004 5:32 pm

Piledriver sent me his procedure for installing the 228. You guys can read about here. Please direct all questions towards him, as I've never done and I've never sat down to see if it works.
http://www.tunacan.net/t4/tech/trans.shtml#228

Tuna

Post by **Piledriver** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 2:21 am

I just want to reiterate the 2mm cut back on the flywheel is blatently stolen from someone
on the net I haven't (yet) found again to give the proper credit.

Here's one... http://www.type4parts.com/cat_clutch.cfm

IIRC Jake said (something like) taking an additional .010 off the clutch face gives more clamping force---correct?

I personally just (carefully) clearanced the hell out of the bellhousing and added the spacer/right starter etc... But the 2mm cut should help GREATLY.

And the spacer for the starter is 1/2"...12mm.. perhaps 11 if you do the 2mm cut trick. It has to be very solid...
I carved mine from 1/2 6061T6 plate, same stuff I made the gen stand etc from.(Nextgen conversion)
Bi-metal hole saws are wonderful carving tools on aluminum/mag...

Also use a LOW SPEED CUTTER on magnesium, like a 2-3" (wood OR metal, mag is soft) inch hole saw in an electric drill, without the drill bit (break bit off if you have to) A high speed disk wil just load up/break/start fires you can't put out...

Kennedy sells a HD 228 pressure plate good to >>300ft/lb torque (supposedly) for V8-in-a-914 use.
Probably need a hydraulic MS/slave and HD TO arm...

Given the choice, I would use the 210.
I did the 228 because I HAD to.
(long story)

Ram · Post by **Ram** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:12 pm

what do I do with cracks on the flywheel surfase ?
me and my friend got 2 of these and both are 210 one out of 411 the other out of brasilia ,and both are cracked...

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before i go and buy a 210 flywheel

before i go and buy a 210 flywheel

mr dstar

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