wbx crank in a type4??

51MAN · Post by **51MAN** » Fri May 03, 2002 2:49 pm

Ok, I know it may sound silly, but... the 1.9 wbx crank has a 69mm stroke, counter balanced, very strong!!, type 1 big end rods with type4 pin ends. I dont know the length, but could this be used to give a lighter set of internals, a slight stroke increase (over 1.7) and some bigger bores??

Just wndered as I have a spare 1.9 wbx and may have a spare 1.7 type 4 (a tired one comes free with the good one).
Sorry for the stupid question!!
Si

Chris_914 · Post by **Chris_914** » Fri May 03, 2002 3:01 pm

Without going into all the details, the type IV crank is bigger in overall size to fit a bigger engine case.

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51MAN · Post by **51MAN** » Fri May 03, 2002 3:32 pm

Ok, what are the main bearing sizes for a type4?? Iknow the wbx crank has different to a type 1 and I thought they were the same/similar to a type 4.. so the wbx crank may go in a type 4 case!!
It was just a thought!!!
Si

Dave_Darling · Post by **Dave_Darling** » Fri May 03, 2002 4:19 pm

This has been covered a few times already.

I believe that the WBX is too short to go into a Type IV, by a significant amount. It might be able to go into a Type I? I forget...

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Aircooled Kid · Post by **Aircooled Kid** » Fri May 03, 2002 4:52 pm

The WBX crank can be fitted in a type 1 case with some machining for the bearings.
It will not fit into a type 4 case.

Paul.

51MAN · Post by **51MAN** » Fri May 03, 2002 5:33 pm

Ok, thanks a lot
Si

Post by **Piledriver** » Fri May 03, 2002 11:15 pm

Ah.
So a wasserboxer is a ~$50 one piece (forged?) counterweigted 69mm type1 crank with type4 5 bolt flywheel attachment, so I can run a 228 mm flywheel, that I need to do a little machining on... perhaps already has T4 mains.(???)

Where am I wrong...Sounds too good to be true.

Perhaps my next motor will be a type1...

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.

stealth67vw · Post by **stealth67vw** » Sat May 04, 2002 12:26 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Piledriver:
Ah.
So a wasserboxer is a ~$50 one piece (forged?) counterweigted 69mm type1 crank with type4 5 bolt flywheel attachment, so I can run a 228 mm flywheel, that I need to do a little machining on... perhaps already has T4 mains.(???)

Where am I wrong...Sounds too good to be true.

Perhaps my next motor will be a type1...

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't believe they are counterweighted. They are also available in a 76mm stoke. I also don't think you will find one for $50, but you could get lucky. Prices tend to hover around $200 for a 76mm.

Post by **Piledriver** » Sat May 04, 2002 8:41 am

Is the 76 mm a factory unit, and if so, what did it come in?

The "wbx" has a very bad rep from the corrosion (heads) issues, and _bad_ motors are a dime a dozen.

Anyone know if these are or are not counterweighted?

Hmmm--Type1 bore spacing...
Could you put Subaru 16V heads on them???;-)

GDRBO · Post by **GDRBO** » Sat May 04, 2002 10:17 am

They are NOT counterweighted. The 228mm flywheel will only fit the 091 bus bellhousing. You could run a type 4 210mm or 215mm flywheel in a type 1 transaxle

marco the steem engine · Sat May 04, 2002 11:12 am

The stock WBX 76mm crank was used in the 2.1 DJ and MV engines.
they are not counterweighted as such, but have more material between the conection of 1/3 bigend barrings and 2/4 bigend barrings

(The "wbx" has a very bad rep from the corrosion (heads) issues, and _bad_ motors are a dime a dozen.)

Because they dident do what VW recomended (they used the wrong anti-freez)
if you sort the small problems out there a good motor.

vwmorten · Post by **vwmorten** » Sun May 05, 2002 1:26 am

Here is the ShopTalk topic about wasserboxsers converted to aircooled :
http://shoptalkforums.com/bbs/NonCGI/Fo ... 01001.html

[This message has been edited by vwmorten (edited 05-05-2002).]

Searoy · Post by **Searoy** » Mon May 06, 2002 12:49 pm

The WBX has Type 4 main bearing size with Type 1 spacing, Type 1 rods journals with a 69 or 76 crank (factory). It does have the 5 bolt Type-4-style crank end.

And the head studs have the 101.5 spacing, not the stock VW spacing, so Autocraft 101.5 heads, or similar race-ready heads with the wider bolt pattern, will bolt on.

WBX case (all aluminum), Type 4 bearings, Type 1 rods, 101.5 pistons, 90mm stroke, Angleflow heads, 2" exhaust, 8000 RPM... yup. 2913cc of fun. I need to calll my broker.

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Steve Arndt · Post by **Steve Arndt** » Tue May 07, 2002 1:05 pm

James Lutz has 4" Century/Cima style iron barrels in stock and 4" Venolia pistons.

He also modifies C/E or S/E heads for the 4" wasser/Autocraft stud pattern! These are much more streetable than an AC-910 head.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Searoy:
The WBX has Type 4 main bearing size with Type 1 spacing, Type 1 rods journals with a 69 or 76 crank (factory). It does have the 5 bolt Type-4-style crank end.

And the head studs have the 101.5 spacing, not the stock VW spacing, so Autocraft 101.5 heads, or similar race-ready heads with the wider bolt pattern, will bolt on.

WBX case (all aluminum), Type 4 bearings, Type 1 rods, 101.5 pistons, 90mm stroke, Angleflow heads, 2" exhaust, 8000 RPM... yup. 2913cc of fun. I need to calll my broker.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Post by **Piledriver** » Tue May 07, 2002 2:25 pm

Now THAT'S the kind of information I wanted!!!

Thanks!

Since it is the T1 bore centers, that means the Subaru 16v heads might fittable.

(???)

Yum.